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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

The thing about storing money in the bank, a savings account, or CD's and all that, is: if the dooty hits the fan I have to wonder if the money deposited will still be retrievable at such a time of chaos... ahem, but I also wonder if it will hold any value.

I don't know, I guess I just don't trust the system/gov't. enough to trust they'll actually give me back what is mine if the system/gov't.  decides it needs it more.

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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

Auendove wrote:

The thing about storing money in the bank, a savings account, or CD's and all that, is: if the dooty hits the fan I have to wonder if the money deposited will still be retrievable at such a time of chaos... ahem, but I also wonder if it will hold any value.

I don't know, I guess I just don't trust the system/gov't. enough to trust they'll actually give me back what is mine if the system/gov't.  decides it needs it more.


Exactly.......or, when / if the economy hits the fan for real, and there are mass runs on the bank, like during the Depression.......you won't have to worry.  You have whatever you need, already there at home. (although I'm not sure if it'll be worth anything in that event!  big_smile  )    In my recent case when we were leaving Florida.   I already had all my money with me at home.   I didn't have to wonder whether or not I should take all my money out of the bank...what if we DO come back, then maybe I shouldn't close out my account....but what if we DON'T come back, then I'll need all my money.....blah blah blah!    I already had it, and was ready to go at the drop of the hat, no fuss.

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18 Reply by Auendove (edited by Auendove 2004-10-07 17:27:29)

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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

lyra,

I had also intended to write about how yesterday after I submitted my post I experienced two incidences with "cards"... imagine that, huh?

One was at the video store... roll whatever, they need to see my man-critter's ID before we'll be "allowed" to rent DVDs again. The experience wouldn't have been so unpleasant for me, except she was like a Video Card Nazi, she telling me she'll "let it go this time." Let what go? <bleep!> BTW--I have a card there too. I know, I know, "Huh?"

The other was at Eckerds Pharmacy, I bought some cough syrup for the man-critter and wanted five dollars back for myself. I was reaching for the button to get cash back saying I was doing as much, and I'll be butterflied and fried if the checker didn't swiftly reach her hand around the machine and press no to the "cash back?" prompt. I said "HEY! What do you think you're doing?" She said she couldn't give cash back, she didn't have enough. "Not even five dollars?", I asked. No, not even five dollars. A pharmacy in FL that doesn't have cash? C'mon! This woman had a very strong Eastern Block accent, and was just as rude and abrupt as the Video Card Nazi!

Sometimes I think the Great Cosmic Comedian In The Sky picks on me in particular to get her kicks.

big_smile

EDIT--I'm serious lyra, I write this big ole post about "cards" and then I'm totally snicker-snorted immediately following with these two incidences happening... really, what's a girl to think? smile

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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

Lyra wrote:

As for cellphone monitoring, you can stick your phone in an aluminum foil lined bag, tin can, or metal box. Won't be able to receive calls while it's in there, and your location will be known the moment you take it out, but it will be invisible from the network while it's totally enclosed by metal.  Regarding some types of monitoring, however, I think these become irrelevant when the person being monitored can manage to escape/avoid any attempts by the monitors to eliminate or impede him. In that case, rather than tiptoe in the spotlight it would be better to plow full steam ahead as all the monitors can do is watch.

At least until THIS takes effect:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40795

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Yeeg.

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morningsun76 wrote:
Lyra wrote:

As for cellphone monitoring, you can stick your phone in an aluminum foil lined bag, tin can, or metal box. Won't be able to receive calls while it's in there, and your location will be known the moment you take it out, but it will be invisible from the network while it's totally enclosed by metal.  Regarding some types of monitoring, however, I think these become irrelevant when the person being monitored can manage to escape/avoid any attempts by the monitors to eliminate or impede him. In that case, rather than tiptoe in the spotlight it would be better to plow full steam ahead as all the monitors can do is watch.

At least until THIS takes effect:
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40795



No, actually, I didn't write this.  Montalk wrote it.   People keep quoting me for stuff I didn't write, or quoting others for stuff that I did write.

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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

theres a patent made by the us government that claims to be a method for conducting electronic business, and it revolves around the idea of having a special TATTOO put on your arm that can be SCANNED by a COMPUTER which in turn IDENTIFIES you, AUTHORIZES the SELLER to COMPLETE TRANSACTION w/ YOUR BANK ACCOUNT.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art/tatpatent2.gif

--------- heres a link to it;

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/tatpatent1.html

heres a link to the US patent office page on it
click here


its patent # 5,878,155

watch out !!

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Eek!  A barcode for humans?  I wonder how much I will be worth? smile
Seriously, I also just got a letter in the mail that in order to streamline child support payments, they won't be issuing checks anymore.  I have to choose either direct deposit or a VISA! 
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Barcodes are too old-fashioned to break through. Something like VeriChip has much more chance of being embraced by the technologically-addicted crowds. You have to tihnk in terms of marketing wink

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I cannot fathom how any of these schemes could ever catch on on a global scale. But there can be no denying there has been a gradual push for about eight years now. I wouldn't have gotten a state driver's liscence without submiting my thumb print. In San Antonio Sea World they have already implemented some sort of hand scanning as a prerequisite for admission. All in the name of 'safety' and 'security'. But I really cannot see this being accepted on a mass scale without some sort of world changing event, terrorist attack, etc.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/

FDA approved microchips today.  It's happening.

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What if everyone publicized the VISA=666 connection?  Would that help?
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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

freeme wrote:

What if everyone publicized the VISA=666 connection?  Would that help?
Kathy


That's definitely a start.  One goal of mine would be to convince as many people as possible to stop already with the friggin' plastic cards.   Just so no!   Stop with the whole buying crap on credit.   Learn how to budget your money.   Don't live above your means.  I would be like one of those debt counseling services, only for free, and doing it because I want to chip away at the system. 

Oh yes....that's anohter thing, speaking of debt.......the new industry of debt counseling and credit management.   With the proliferation of credit card / debit usage in this country has come the inevitable debt from overspending and going hogwild.  It's spawned an entirely new industry, devoted JUST for that, charging people money to help them "fix" their credit report and consolidate their debts and get back on track.   What a little scheme, eh?    They handed the children the plastic cards while simultaneously creating the industry to bail them out of that.  TPTB make double the money and they are literally laughing all the way to the bank.

Just say no to plastic and just say no to VISA!

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Re: Personal Experience with Cash Free Coersion.....

HI every one I'm new here and dont' know alot but if the cash system fails we can go to the barter system or old silver,gold coins metal will still have a monetary value. Also here is a site worth looking over.    http://www.libertydollar.org    They have money made out of silver you can exchange for the same equivalent in dollars.There will always be ways around gov for those who look for them.Helping each outher is what we are here for.I live in the enteror USA no way out so I'm staying and will find a way.

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Thought I'd resurrect this thread with the latest example of "cash free coerscion" I've experienced.  I don't know, I think this topic is important, and that we're all going to see an increase in this push....and I do mean push!   They love to push this on people, it's so flippin' obnoxious!

The latest involved the temp company I was recently just working for (before I went out and got a job on my own).    Right as I was finishing up with them 3 weeks ago and transitioning over to my new job, the temp company sent out a letter with our paychecks telling everybody that they would be switching banks very shortly, (due to being bought out by another company) and that this was a bank that did not have any branches here in Virginia, so, as a result, they are STRONGLY URGING all of their associates to just switch to Direct Deposit with their own local banks.

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Hahn??   I just couldn't get over that, the way they were basically TELLING everybody what they should be doing, and creating a situation where they were backing everybody into a corner and then only presenting them with one option...direct deposit.  That's it.   It was just like that other temp company I registered with who presented only one paycheck option to me...the plastic Visa paycheck card.     !!

So now this company is doing the same thing, basically.   Strongly pushing / presenting only one option for receiving one's paycheck, and it just so happens to be non-cash form.    The kicker is, there are other options, both if you have a bank account, and if you don't have a bank account.    If you have a bank account, you can still bring your physical paycheck to your bank branch and get it cashed for cash back.    And if you don't have a bank account, it's called......Check Cashing Stores.    They're everywhere, and go by various names, but they are there, and it's always another option.   You don't **have** to do Direct Deposit or have a plastic paycheck card.    They charge nominal fees to cash your checks, but then again, so doesn't Bank of America if you cash one of their checks but you're not an account holder.   

I tell you, the more that people try to push no-cash on me, the more I get all stubborn and persistant.  Although in the end, I know it's a losing battle, and even using check cashing stores is still another form of evil.   Two sides of the same coin.     

So at any rate, it was just lucky timing for me that I decided to head out on my own and left the temp company right as all this malarky was going down.    !!   What a headache.    I just love though how they picked some obscure bank that has no branches in Virginia.     Gotta love it....

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