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#1 2008-02-13 04:28:11

LightningEye
Seeker
From: Consciousness
Registered: 2006-04-27

Where would you live if not the US?

Now I realize that not everyone who posts here currently lives in the US, but the question applies to many of you. Lately I've been wondering, with all the negative vibes around the US government, and the US in general:

Where would you live if not the US?


Now, the beautiful state of Virginia notwithstanding, I get the feeling that there is no greener pasture. I don't see any democracies anymore, just republics that concentrate power or outright socialism. What do you think? If money wasn't a limiting factor, where would you live in 2008? And why?

Thanks. This is a question I've been considering a lot lately and I really appreciate all of your input!

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#2 2008-02-13 06:52:38

morningsun76
the answer has been with you the whole time
From: In two worlds
Registered: 2004-09-11

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

LightningEye wrote:

I get the feeling that there is no greener pasture. I don't see any democracies anymore, just republics that concentrate power or outright socialism. What do you think?

I agree with you on this.   All of "western civilization" has been breaking down and there's really nowhere to run.    If you already live in the west and your goal is to escape totalitarianism, you might as well stay at home.    I keep going over this in my own mind, but so far haven't come up with any obvious answers.    I think the best thing any of us can probably do is to be prepared to get up and go immediately in case of some kind of large-scale disaster.   Keep the gas tank full and some spare supplies ready to take with you.     Beyond that, we don't know yet what might happen so it's hard to make specific plans.

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#3 2008-02-13 06:58:54

Poffo
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Registered: 2005-12-20

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

Come to Canada, we're like America Lite wink

Well, unfortunately we've still got the aspartame sad

But we've got LOTS of undeveloped 1st and 2nd density (aka nature!....it's natural!) that I think wouldn't have a problem with some cool NR-type people treating it right and enjoying what it has to offer wink

Nature is cool like that... cool It goes both ways, you just have to be humble enough it its presence to see and respect its destructive side (-) as having as much validity as the creative bounty it offers. Leaving suburban life is going to be hard for a lot of people during the next few years, especially when they realize that most of what they worked for is unsustainable and could mean certain death if clung to. What's "cool" is "hot" and what you're "down" for is what you're "up" for.  Seems like post-modern apocalyptic (in the true sense of the word) wordplay to me.

We ALSO have a lot of stupid people just like in the US tongue  And our favourite national game is fairly violent, but on a whole we're generally a lot more laid back.  And we aren't AS entrenched in the global crazymaking that the USA is famous for so other countries generally like us, for whatever that's worth.

Our dollar is rising against the unstable US and is fluctuates at around (for now) par so we have more international buying power while that lasts.

PLUS, if you act now we'll even throw in potentially warmer northern climates in the coming years for FREE!

Honestly, just go where you need to be to get your job done.  Intend to be in the right place at the right time according to your highest and most inspired ideal and you should do just fine wink  Larger intentions cover the smaller and more precise ones so this one actually starts a major creative growth (positive feedback loop) by basically activating your "destiny". Which came first, the (+) feedback loop or the destiny? wink

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#4 2008-02-13 07:53:35

Pamelajean
Thank you Tom
From: relocating to Noble Dreams
Registered: 2006-01-30

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

Poffo wrote:  Honestly, just go where you need to be to get your job done.  Intend to be in the right place at the right time according to your highest and most inspired ideal and you should do just fine

You said that so well.

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#5 2008-02-13 21:26:33

Ziggy
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From: now
Registered: 2008-01-13
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Re: Where would you live if not the US?

Pamelajean wrote:

Poffo wrote:  Honestly, just go where you need to be to get your job done.  Intend to be in the right place at the right time according to your highest and most inspired ideal and you should do just fine

You said that so well.

I agree.  I am where I need to be, although it is Canada and I'm not excited about the cold winter.  If you like cold weather sports this is the place.   Yesterday I wanted to be somewhere else as the snow is blizzarding down.   For those who don't like deep freeze cold the West coast is the only decent climate, but it's very rainy and cloudy.   I recently moved to an isolated location called the Milk River Ridge, and yesterday I felt I needed to be in this area.    I'll shut up and put up with it. 

If I could have a choice I'd prefer Ghent Belgium.   The downtown city center on the river is like a fairytale picture book.  I like  it there,  or somewhere in a funky location  in Italy.    Den Bosche Netherlands  (Holland)  is really laid back too, or a rustic area of italy would be nice for me... but no point in that because i'm here, serving my life in a cold climate.   You can see that weather is a big factor for me because i got caught in a snow blizzard pre-cell phone era and my legs and face got frost bite.  From that point on i'm sensitive to cold. 

When I got back to Canada  in October, after being away for 3 months, I did realize that the obesity in this country and the United States is very, very high compared to Europe and Asia (excluding the U.K which seems to be somewhat higher than Europe in this regard).   It was shocking for me.  I wondered what   was going on.   I'm serious.   And what's with all the Canadian guys wearing baseball caps.   I landed at Calgary and thought.... what... did I land at a baseball convention?   Then I remembered that this is a staple of wardrobe for canadian men.     Although I will say that the young girls in canada are likely the most beautiful I've seen in the world, before they hook into that fat wave that seems predominant in north america.     I don't mean to be at all rude and this isn't my intention.   If you leave north america for 3 to 4 months and come back you will undoubtedly notice the same epidemic.

I guess there's pros and cons to every place.   The important thing is to stay inside mySelf no matter where i am, and just be where i need to be - where i am today in as much healthiness as i can.

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#6 2008-02-13 22:23:31

Natural Mystic
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From: aworld w/out invisible borders
Registered: 2005-06-09
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Re: Where would you live if not the US?

I've only lived in Canada, in Ontario and from what I've seen it's all beauty, as the Earth IS and should BE.  I'd say it's not where you are, but what you do where you are.  Connect with nature.  Hey Poffo are you talking about hockey?  I love hockey.  I'm free on the ice skating and stick handling.  It's not that rough. tongue 'cept for the body checking... and fighting... but I'm not a fighter... wink  Australia seems like a good place too.  Europe has always been on my mind.  I know the world is beautiful.. the trees, animals, air, and sun! 

The whole US deal with the elections and what-not, well that stuff is booooring.  Not that entertaining on the tele, and I can find better use of thy time.

namaste


"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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#7 2008-02-13 22:31:57

dreamosis
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Registered: 2005-03-07

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

I've thought about to moving to the Navajo Reservations within the US.  It's truly a different place, and probably unlikely to be interfered with given its remoteness and lack of "resources."


You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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#8 2008-02-14 06:59:03

ontrack24
wen fo rotaitini
From: Norway
Registered: 2006-10-29

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

Well not advocating this as some sort of "only alternative" but I think some might like my country, I won't get into why except letting these three youtube videos speak for themselves.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQyq5f5d4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujI2KoLGqTc

These are of course "touristy" videos and show little of day-to-day life for a norwegian (in fact basically everything is just scenery), and so on, but it's a good way to get introduced to some of our fantastic scenery.
If you're wondering about that daily life, I can say that we are, overall, a well-off nation that has topped the UN list of countries with the best living standard for 6 successive years, only beaten on last years list by Iceland. My city, Oslo, is now approaching 600,000 in the city proper, and soon 900,000 in the 'metropolitan' area (second biggest city, Bergen, has a much more 'cozy' and beautiful nature while Oslo is our equivalent of the 'ugly big city' - though nothing compared to truly large cities).
Todays Norwegians are mostly known as rather calm and reserved people, of course that is a generalization, but there is a little something to it as well - it also has to do with our historical "faith" in the government/state, as a social democracy, many solutions for necessary services have been sought through the state or local government, instead of privatizing (started to change increasingly since the 90s began, today we are considerably more market-oriented).

A little shameless attempt at tempting:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2029/2261398246_de115f0f67.jpg?v=0http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2233/2196056654_c931dff760.jpg?v=0

Of course there's not just good here, plenty of things to be annoyed about. Despite that - Norway is a paradise compared even to countries as close as Germany, France, Britain... And even the good ol' US. This in large part due to the near eradication of poverty that we've achieved - our poverty is a "relative" one, people who are poor compared to our own average income.
However, to mention one actual negative, the increasing internationalization is bringing new people with new behaviours to our shores - we've had a lot of eastern europeans (which could almost be compared to the mexicans for you americans), including criminals. And about 2 years ago or so a whole bunch of nigerian females (they apparantly came from Italy) who were prostitutes arrived. They actually walk the streets here in my town to this day, no clear solution to their plight has been proposed yet! A big reason behind all that is the so-called "Schengen" agreement, which is a EU treaty for passing borders with no passport/I.D.. This allows people from all over Europe to come here without being checked. Just being honest here (and talking about the stinking nwo *CoFF* which is starting to clearly affect us as well)! Here in Oslo, we also have around 25% immigrants (including a considerable Pakistani minority), and a slight hint of ghetto tendencies can be observed - there's 4 schools i think with more than 90% immigrants here. Compared to what I see in many, many other countries, our problems are 99% cakewalks though!
It's like we have "everything" that other countries have, but it's ALL in much smaller quantity and severity..

Another purpose behind posting this was that I think many know very little about what Norway has to offer. And some might simply enjoy those vids in themselves...

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/957/50534852.JPGhttp://katieincopey.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/img_0488.jpg
You can go to flicker and find some more interesting photos... http://flickr.com/groups/norwaynorge/pool/

I must admit I have a few reasons to dislike my native country, still there is no doubt neither it, nor my hometown Oslo, will ever leave my heart. If anyone is considering and ready to relocate to somewhere that is a little less crowded and busy (also more relaxed and gives more room for peace, for those who choose this!), I'd recommend them to also have Norway on their list and consider "us" as well - on par with their other alternatives. London is 2 hrs away from Oslo by plane, Paris around 2,5..

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#9 2008-02-16 17:13:19

b3li3v3
a laughing phoenix
From: up here
Registered: 2007-01-24

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

...right now, I'm where I need to be. I'm not in the YooEssAye, and that's pretty good, from my angle. I think Norway is a pretty decent place; I have to admit that a friend of mine is enjoying the magical vibe of Sweden (lots of woody places to notice doorways to other places), and another ally swears by the wilds of Scotland. Lots of places to go, if this place starts to smell...


...the eye, altering...alters all - William Blake

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#10 2008-02-17 01:57:36

proto
NR has changed my life!
Registered: 2005-12-14

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

I honestly can't think of a place other than America, maybe Canada, since I don't really mind the cold much. I must agree with LightingEye (sup!! haha) and MorningSun because they are right in regards to Western civilization going to s*** in terms of government. It's pretty much the same everywhere.

I spoke to a few new age/hippy people here in NYC and they dream about moving to some tropical, 3rd world country like Thailand and all I can think of is "you are so going to get robbed and get your kidneys taken away from you!". Of course I told them that and they're like "really?". Yes those places are all about simple living but when you are a Westerner, then it's a different ball game.

Anyways, if I truly had to leave the U.S., I would go back to my roots and live in Albania/Kosovo and/or Montenegro , where my parents come from. I speak the languages and I could probably change a few things there, since I speak fluent English and they could use a guy like me doing some good.

Another place that really catches my interest is Buenos Aires, Argentina. It seems like the New York of South America where you have a cosmopolitan city with loads of diversity with people of all different backgrounds, ethnicities, religions, etc. I feel very comfortable in that setting, since it's pretty much all I know. Putting me in a place like North Dakota - rural, all white, christian, etc- would shock the hell out of me. I think I would cry.

All in all, realistically, I will probably stay in NY for a bit and after that, who knows. I am getting pretty tired of this fast paced lifestyle and all the original New Yorkers moving out with the new transplanters moving in. The vibe is changing with them and with the TPTB's plans for NYC (whatever they may be).


"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
Carlos Castaneda

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#11 2008-02-17 02:35:10

lawofattraction
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Registered: 2007-05-10

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

A increasing number of Americans are heading to Belize, Panama, and Costa Rica each year.

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#12 2008-02-17 03:33:06

Pamelajean
Thank you Tom
From: relocating to Noble Dreams
Registered: 2006-01-30

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

proto said:

all white

I'm just going by your picture, proto, but you look like you're white...ALL WHITE!  And furry too.

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#13 2008-02-17 04:20:25

Tom Paine
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Registered: 2004-10-26

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

Dreamosis--
I too have thought of moving to the 4 corners area near the Navajo Reservation,
but after speaking with acquaintances who have worked on Indian reservations,
they tell me that alcoholism and violence have ruined most of the native american
ways and poverty and depression is the rule.  Not a very inviting place anymore.
The country there is beautiful, but a lot of it has been declared off limits by the
f'ing government.  They've also spread fears of hanta virus spread by mice and
rats and rabies spread by carnivores like coyotes and badgers.  This I consider
to be a concerted effort to discourage anyone from thinking that they can live
off the land and off the grid.

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#14 2008-02-17 15:03:51

treehugger
Member
Registered: 2006-02-06

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

That Norway video was just beautiful! What stunning scenery!  But alas, too much snow for me. wink I dream of tropical isles. I lived on Guam of all places for two yrs. It was amazing. But you're sitting literally on top of a volcano, so I dont think I would choose to live there again!  I think I will stay hunkered here in beautiful Virginia. The chaos may go on around me, but I dont feel it when I look at those serene Blue Ridge mts.


In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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#15 2008-02-17 15:23:03

NightWatch
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Registered: 2008-02-04

Re: Where would you live if not the US?

This increasing feeling of wanting to relocate was alluded to in the book "Bringers of The Dawn",
the channellings of the Plaedians by Barbara.M. i have a very strong feeling though that we will
all be where we are meant to be if the desire to move is based on the need to be able to practice
aspects of "conscious living" in an increasingly hostile environment.(tptb, ops, indvids who are
fear-based and thus controllable etc).

Hi ontrack,i am 'flagless' and seeking  new vistas, how user friendly is Norway's immigration policy?
i do not have any personal problems with different races, religions, creed etc, but i am aware that
those  do stimulate conflict in some folks,even gov'ts(e.g. australia), so as i am non caucasian, and
older than40, what are my chances? (i am also not hollywood handsome nor wealthy:D)


expect nothing but be pleasantly surprised
tomorrow the sun may never shine....enjoy today---my father

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