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#1 2007-12-13 16:14:05

morningsun76
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Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

I just woke up from a strange dream in which I was hiding under my bed from my "mother," who eventually found me and said something like "are we going to have to do this EVERY time?"    "She" then suggested I should go back to bed, restrained by handcuffs.  And mind you this was not some kind of Oedipal thing or anything, this creature, whoever or whatever it really was (I sense reptilian), wanted me physically captured and restrained to prevent me from escaping.     This was strange because the room I was in was not my real bedroom, I don't think, but interestingly I was hiding under an air pad like I do in real life, which might signify the dream does relate to the present time period in my life.  At some point in the dream I found myself in another room with her, and she repeated the instruction that I should put on the handcuffs and go to sleep.    Anyway I got up and ran away, and was in the hallway of some large building, maybe a school.   I ran around the corner towards the room where my brother was sleeping, and as I approached yelled at the top of my lungs for him to wake up so he could help me.   He did wake up, and then with me we went to my "mother's" room.   He went on ahead of me and entered the room, and I heard her scream horribly.  Then I woke up.

I think I may have mentioned this in a previous post, but on a related note, a few weeks ago I had a dream of being late to report to prison.  I say a related note because I think the prison theme of this dream correlates to the handcuff aspect of the new dream I just mentioned above.    The prison dream began with me standing outside the entrance to the prison, smoking a cigarette, and wondering what I was going to say when I went inside because I was so late.   I was concerned that I wouldn't even find the proper room to report to because it was a huge building and no reception people would be around anymore.  I figured I would now get in more trouble and have to be imprisoned longer.

What I think is really strange is the common theme in both of the above dreams that I was in serious trouble for being free, when I was supposed to be under control.

In real-life a couple of weeks ago, I had new scratches appear on my right arm on two consecutive nights (one on each night).    One of them apparently appeared while I was awake.  That really made me wonder, because there was no missing time or anything that I was aware of.   So the implication would be either a physical abduction but I was brought back to the same point in time via advanced technology (this has been reported in some cases), or perhaps the injury was done to me on a subtle (astral?) plane and then manifested physically.  I couldn't figure it out.

Then about two days after the scratches appeared, I for the first time watched the film "Rosemary's Baby."   It's about a nice girl who is victimized by a coven of witches that swarm around her in all aspects of her life, posing as her "new friends" in the town to which she has just moved.   They secretly use witchcraft to destroy her health, and eventually involve her in a ritual where she is impregnated by the Devil.     She dreams of the ritual as it happens, and when she wakes up her body is covered with scratch marks.    I think it is very interesting to note that two ideas in this film -- unexplained scratches and hybrid offspring -- directly correspond to two of the most commonly-reported aspects of the UFO abduction phenomenon.  That cannot be a coincidence!

Considering everything I personally know for a fact about these subjects -- especially just how widespread and powerful the human aspect of the conspiracy is (see Fritz Springmeier's works on Illuminati witchcraft and mind-control) -- I can't help but wonder how much of the weird stuff I've experienced is due to purely human factors and is not alien-related at all.   They still may be under the control of aliens, or perhaps other negative forces more closely resembling "demons" than aliens, but perhaps it's humans doing a lot of the dirty work.    I guess that may sound like an obvious "DUH!" answer to a lot of people, but it's not something I had really considered as being a possible factor in my own case.   Of course, if it's true, then I probably "wasn't supposed to."

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#2 2007-12-13 17:56:51

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#3 2007-12-13 18:32:25

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

My analysis of the dream leads me to believe that your 'Mother' in the dream is either the archetypal Dark Mother or Light Mother (yes, Light Mother.) I say this because man's Anima (feminine soul aspect) can appear as the Dark Mother, Light Mother, or various other feminine archetypes (which generally take on the appearance of your mother.) Secondly, she said something to the effect of "are we going to have to do this every time?" This leads me to believe that perhaps she's tried to contain you, hold you back from something that perhaps is dangerous, but you decide to neglect her advice and she has to resort to physically restraining you. Of course, it could be the complete opposite, but I would need a grasp of what's going on in your life as well as other recent dreams in order to make further analysis.

Your recent dream as well as the prison dream reminds me of two dreams that I recall. Your recent dream reminds me of a dream I had during sleep paralysis (at least I think I was dreaming during the sleep paralysis.) In the dream I was being contained to my bed by a demon, and I was trying to get free, struggling, but I couldn't move, so I started praying to the Virgin Mary and recited the Rosary Prayer, but I couldn't remember a part of it so I kept repeating it and mumbling the part I couldn't remember until I eventually got it right and then I was free. I got off from the bed and ran to my door, turned back and mocked the demon before running out of my room.

I had a dream which started with me in a living room. My dream parents were loving, very welcoming to me as I sat and watched TV. Then the dream changed to me being in some sort of mess hall, sitting by myself, smoking a cigarette as everyone around me were doing their own thing. Then the dream switched to me going to my 'dorm room' in which my 'dorm mate' was there, and I went by the bed that was there and he said, "this is my bed." I noticed a frame of another bed, which looked like some sort of Giger coffin. I left the room and looked around for someone who could tell me where I was supposed to stay. I went to an office and noticed a woman in there working in the dark. I knock on the door, she comes out and I ask her where I should go, she lovingly says that I can stay in there, and points to the living room I was in before, with my dream parents lovingly waiting for me. I go into the living room, sit on the couch and proceed to watch TV.

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#4 2007-12-14 00:31:38

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

From your post I picked out the words: "mother", "restrained", "handcuffs", "prevent escape" . . . all of these highly authoritative and limiting structures and ideas in one's mind, especially the notion of "returning to prison" which for me is typical of reptilian dream manipulation, as when you wake the thought still lingers, or is supposed to linger, that you were already assigned to some kind of prison system and that you should return there. It's kind of the way David Icke's program works on me. He starts from a position that these reptilian overlords already control all of life and so from the first moment a struggle against unseen forces, lizard people, and space nazis is set up in your mind. A prison planet. People as cattle, as sheep. Sheesh. I begin from the perspective that I'm as free as I want to be and start walking from there.

After a dream where confining notions of a "prison", or in other words, "matrix" are planted this concept is then subtly reinforced with carefully calculated objects and words during your waking hours, things left in your path, that strangely catch your attention throughout the day and begin to form stumbling blocks in your mind and perhaps your chakra centers. It's a sometimes not-so-subtle tactic toward control and manipulation of your spiritual being. Fortunately for me I saw that "Rosemary's Baby" suggestion coming as a potentiality for just such a manipulative opportunity. I casually noted the title of that film pop up on my screen at IMDb when researching John Cassavetes a few days ago, and I knew to avoid it. I thought, "Rosemary's Baby?" Uh-uh, no way.

The suggestion of unknown violence and a scream to punctuate your experience really sounds to me like an intentional post-hypnotic suggestion someone planted within your mind sometime before you went to sleep. I know of a Peruvian reptilian woman who would do this to me repeatedly before I discovered her as the culprit and I now completely avoid eye-contact with her. After I made this connection she would ask me questions to draw my attention and finally stopped when I'd look away and scratch my temple with my middle finger. No eye contact = no more waking up from dreams in the middle of the night from the sound in my head of screams or pots and pans being banged together. I could be somewhat off here but it's something to investigate. I'd be curious to know if you pick up on any such strange or similar occurrences.

This school structure you mention is used to place you in the perspective of a student beneath some "instructor" or "teacher" authority figure. Even for a moment these brief images take hold, as you remembered them long enough to write them down. I've woken up from dreams where doorways, streets, exits, and entrances to buildings were literally blocked with police road blocks and "do not cross" tape, or rusted cars stacked on top of one or another too high for me to climb. Reptilians used to do that thing where they'd shift to impersonate my mother and hopefully stir some kind of discord, which was nearly successful once and a way in which I was nearly brainwashed into an acceptance of Freemasonry when I showed some vulnerability to the thought projection that it could have been my mother or some member of my immediate family who was at the time orchestrating a program of spiritual assault against me. Now I know that when my mother wants to find me, there's really no place on Earth where I can go and she can't reach me somehow. I've literally been on the other side of the planet and received a stern indicator which stopped me in my tracks on a beach: "Call your mother." Then someone's water-logged cell phone washed up on sand a few feet in front of me. With me, "negs" know full well that I know my mother in dreams when I see her, and I've only had to see her once and I'll never forget it. The others still persist with the manipulation attempt for some reason, but with diminishing return. Really, it's always the ones with something to prove that I tend to run into time and again. I suspect this to be true for many people.

Something else to consider is that a non-human's appearance as one's parents in a dream manipulation scenario is a method that humans aren't wholly skilled at detecting in the astral landscape. This disability enables reptilians and other beings to get close to you. Generally, or at least for me, dream manipulation ends when some portion of my conscious mind begins to track nuances of the interfering being's appearance enough for me to to realize, even somewhat immobilized, that my mom is not who I'm talking to. This morning I told some non-human who was shifted to look like my grandmother, "You know, I really don't like you." Somehow interfering non-humans can sense when this is beginning to happen and usually end the manipulation immediately before it's clearly evident that they've lost control.

I've read portions of Hermit Brad's analysis of your dream and I wonder if his may be just the type of subtle doubt of the intentions of, or your relationship with your mother that the non-human entity in your dream of last night was hoping to lay the foundations for. It's a discordant note, isn't it? Dark Mother? Light Mother? Does some compartmentalized quality or condition of your mom sneak out to assault you in the dreamscape? I'm inclined to doubt that. Of course, I have no idea what your relationship is like with your family, and of dream interpretation in general one person's idea is just as valid as any other. However, one thing I read in the Ra Material that has since become fully concrete in my mind is that we chose our parents, our mothers and fathers, as vehicles for incarnation on this plane. I trust my mom to always want what's best for me, even in our dreams. Remember, you chose her

And, uh, just one other thing . . . you know, there's really no such thing as a witch. smile

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#5 2007-12-14 15:45:37

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Thats Strange!!

         Lately, I have been dreaming like hell. I sleep about 8 to 9 hours and I am very much aware that I dream about 6 to 7 dreams every night that i remember of. And this dreams really don't bother me but they really depend on what I had on my mind  before i went to sleep. And its like am watching everything that my memory is being fed in daily life being scanned and I see that every person and everything i witness that day. Whats really strange for me is this that instead of my memory deleting this images would always put it in kind of stories and tales that am part of. And I try really hard to become lucid infact i started telling my mind to become lucid while I dream and I did achieved it once where I would meet my deceased Uncle and In my dream I told myself he is dead how come he is alive and then I realize in my dream that oh yeah!! am dreaming like every other day and then he gets away from my sight and I go like whats he scared of and then I tell myself I have been trying to become lucid for a long time so what shall i do now and I tell myself lets fly. And I try to fly am like thinking in my dream how do i do this...I try to float and i do manage to float but then i come down and I was like maybe i should probly use my left hand to throw some energy at groud to lift me up and it actually did lift me up the ground and i used my right hand to guide myself and make turns at will but still i wasn't flying to my perfection. but then again that was a wonderful dream i flew across highways and what not and it was so real that if i ever fly it wouldn't look to me like i never did this before ;-).

Now, herez something I need help about. Even tho! in most of my dreams i do manage to recall what i truly believe from inside like I don't do drugs anymore so, when ever in my dreams am offered i refuse it. And I do remember that I don't need to have sex or anything to save my energy and when i do have such pornographic dreams i leave the scene and doesn't let it take over my mind. And I pretty much know what really makes me in this reality and now If i should know all this that means i am concious in my dreams then why is it hard for me to go around exploring places and why do i respect every other entity that i don't want to. Respect in a way i know that my whole family is somehow of dark work not just my famliy every  other thing i will encounter looks dark cuz they start disturbing me when i meditate or do become lucid am awaken like by magic or something. but i try to stay in the light of the self and the one who strengthens me. What ever my family thinks its for the grand purpose not for the sake of my individual happiness and they are matrix controlled puppets who are not like warriors but agents and are used to bend my will and am always hit subconciously. But anyways, how do i come into full conciousness in my dreams...I have learnt few from Montalk and from the book the teachings of Don Juan. but i can't do it at this stage but may i will succeed some day. 

One more thing, few days ago I closed my eyes and took my mind to silence and I saw hallucinating shapes and some one sitting with legs folded and then all of a sudden the cats in the neighbour starts fighting right at my window waking me up and when they do right in that darkness of my eyes closed i saw a light flew right over me. Could it be possible that some one is always present when i try to meditate to disturb me. Cuz my mind goes silent and then all of a sudden people start coughing in the next room and if not someone int he neigborhood the houses are made so close to one another that you could hear every little sound produced while meditating at night..


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#6 2007-12-15 09:48:06

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

In analyzing dreams I look for the main objective of the dream, the main purpose it has upon me. If it is a symbolic play to pass me a message, some kind of feedback about how I am doing, then it should be optimized around that objective.

Dreams that have a heavy negative emotional content, a prolonged stress or duress factor, strong macabre atmospheres, or persuasive pressures to induce behavioral modifications toward submission -- these dreams don't serve the purpose of being symbolically meaningful. Rather these dreams have more to do with tormenting, feeding, harassing, or programming, whether directly for those purposes or indirectly as a side-effect or after-effect.

The dreams you recounted have various scenarios pushing you into submission and control. It is that persistent underlying pressure towards obedience that suggests they are not innocent symbolic dreams meant to convey a helpful message. If you are abducted earlier in the night and given some heavy-duty mind programming, or if you are sleeping while programming is broadcast remotely, this should leak through into your dreams.

What would you dream if someone whispered "You will follow these commands always and forever" and "You will hate those you love" and "You will imprison yourself in isolation and despair"into your subconscious a thousand times while you slept? I think the intrusion into your mind and the external pressure to make you follow these commands would create dreams about an external authority pushing you into obeying its commands. In contrast, a symbolic dream about breaking away from control would be more focused on the concept of being free, of successfully breaking out of prison or mental hospital, than a scenario whose main purpose is make you feel like you should submit to authority.

As for alien vs human abductors, it would make sense for aliens to employ the manpower of human abductors and for the latter to employ the higher dimensional capabilities of aliens so that both are working together. Functionally they may still be separate in that their methodology and objectives correspond to one being mostly 3D and the other mostly 4D, but as far as command / control goes the alien component has probably overrun the human component by this point and is using the underground human military factions as useful extensions of itself. So I would think that the common pattern is for abductees to experience both types of abductors unless they entirely useless or harmless to one but not the other.

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#7 2007-12-15 17:00:41

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I hope you know that Castenada was a fraud and charlatan EON. His wife even came out about it after he died and told everyone that he made it all up. I like his earlier books though, he was definitely a dreamer. He later books, not so much.

If you get disturbed by those things while you are meditating then you really arent meditating. I got to this conclusion after read something Phil Hine said about a Crowley statement. He said, more of less " Crowley once said if a dog disturbs you meditation shoot it. I say instead of killing it become its freind and learn from it and dont get angry about it disturbing your meditation"..... To both points of view I say this, if you get disturbed by a barking dog while meditating then you really arent meditating. What you could do is see it as a fleeting part of your mind that is just popping up. Meditation really is just observing the mind, so in reality we are all meditating all the time, some more than others. This is why Zen meditation requires only one thing......just sit there. No tricks, no nothing. Just sit.

It might be best to just start your own dream journal and figure out all the symbology and things on your own without focusing too much on how OTHERS might interperate your own dreams. Dreams are a very personal thing and they vary dramatically from person to person. THose dream interpretation books are a total sham in my humble opinion.

 

#8 2007-12-16 00:17:38

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

Thanks to everyone who has shared their thoughts on the subject.

Nyarlathotep wrote:

I hope you know that Castenada was a fraud and charlatan EON. His wife even came out about it after he died and told everyone that he made it all up.

It's very easy to claim that a dead person "has been discredited" if you want to keep people ignorant of what that person was talking about.   It happens over and over.     Castaneda's work may have been a mixed bag, but there is no doubt he was touching on certain verboten subjects when he discussed things like the "flyers" / predators, expanding awareness via ingestion of hallucinogens, etc.     

shukaido wrote:

And, uh, just one other thing . . . you know, there's really no such thing as a witch. smile

Wrong.

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#9 2007-12-16 00:38:46

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morningsun76 wrote:

Thanks to everyone who has shared their thoughts on the subject.

Nyarlathotep wrote:

I hope you know that Castenada was a fraud and charlatan EON. His wife even came out about it after he died and told everyone that he made it all up.

It's very easy to claim that a dead person "has been discredited" if you want to keep people ignorant of what that person was talking about.   It happens over and over.     Castaneda's work may have been a mixed bag, but there is no doubt he was touching on certain verboten subjects when he discussed things like the "flyers" / predators, expanding awareness via ingestion of hallucinogens, etc.

yes, but I hope to GOD noone goes out and tries datura/jymson weed just from reading the teachings of don juan. That shit is deadly. The peyote stories he wrote were very interesting. Like I said, his earlier books were interesting. But ever since I found out it was all made up I am taking a different point of view. I still like his books. I read his book on dreaming a couple years ago and it was really interesting. But, I am more interested in factual shamanism and experiences written with true precision and credibility in the "real world". I am looking forward to getting Jan Irvin and Andrew Rutajits book Astrotheology and Shamanism. This book must be a very pertinent expose' of the subjects from what I have read and seen about its subject matter, especially watching the Pharmacratic Inquisition at google video which I urge all to check out. For anyone interested check out gnosticmedia.com. Of course, concepts of the "real world" get shot to peices when you get into shamanism and dream work. Consensus reality just dissolves when you step into that world, and you can learn a lot from it. The ego just goes POOF, completely up in smoke and if you are not an ego maniac and actually relish in the experience of ego death the experience can be quite extatic to say the least.

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#10 2007-12-16 00:43:24

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

morningsun76 wrote:

shukaido wrote:

And, uh, just one other thing . . . you know, there's really no such thing as a witch. smile

Wrong.

Hm, let's see . . . perhaps I used the wrong emoticon for emphasis.  roll


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#11 2007-12-16 01:28:03

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Ah, I misunderstood your meaning.

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#12 2008-01-06 09:39:02

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It's 12:45 AM.  Just after midnight I became awake in bed, paralyzed, after having been asleep for several hours.   

This past evening, I had been at the computer working on some personal projects, and had been listening to Gene Scott reading from "The Screwtape Letters," by the Christian author C.S. Lewis.   It's written as a fictional "letter" from a senior demon in the "High Command" to a low-ranking demon, "mentoring" the young one on the tactics of the dark side.   Among other things the senior demon explains, is how absolute secrecy regarding the demonic activities is Official Policy in the present day, because of the advantages inherent when victims do not believe in the demons' very existence.   Somewhat humorously, the senior demon explains that this policy does have its limitations, such as not being able to derive the satisfaction of openly terrorizing their victim.   The senior demon went on to state that in the future, they would attempt to get people to think in terms of "forces" in the universe, but never allow them to go the whole way and realize that there was an actual spiritual war involved, and that the spirits were real physical entities which inhabited the air itself. 

The last few days, I have been helping an older friend who is also interesed in Gene Scott's material, but is not very computer savvy, to set up his computer with an audio juke box program so he can listen to the programs himself without any trouble. As I've mentioned previously, when doing work on the computer related to Gene Scott's audio material, I have often encountered electrical power fluctuations in my home, frequently causing my UPS battery backup system to switch from the AC power to battery.  A couple of times I could actually physically feel a strong build-up of static electricity in the air.     The only other times I have ever experienced these electrical anomalies in the past was when I was working at making Karla Turner's material available, though the interference when working with her material was far less intense than what I have been experiencing lately with respect to Gene Scott's material, specifically that aspect of it dealing with demonology and spiritual warfare.   Although the subject matter dealt with by these two people is on the surface quite different, I find it instructive to note that one of Karla Turner's main contentions, as opposed to the vast majority of "UFO researchers," was that she was convinced that the aliens' main objective was to steal from humans the sanctity of our souls.   In actuality, therefore, I think that the gulf between her work and that of this "TV preacher" may be far less than one might normally imagine.

In any event, with all that in mind, I woke up paralyzed about an hour ago.  I was still in that in-between state between sleep and full waking-consiousness, and I was lying in my bed, but the room around me did not seem like the actual room in which I was sleeping.   There was a dark figure at the foot of my bed, and though I could not visually discern any features, I "knew" that it was a particular individual with whom I am in real life acquainted.  This individual has connections to Illuminati and the practice of wicca (yes, in real life they ARE connected, it is NOT just a fringe conspiracy theory.  Read Fritz Springmeier for more on this, if you are interested).   Anyway, I had the impression of this person's head rotating 360 degrees, and I tried to speak to them to ask them not to harm me, but I could not speak words, only mangled unintelligible sounds came out, and I had the distinct impression of this figure reacting to this with an amused contempt.   

In my previous sleep-paralysis experiences, I would often call out mentally "to the highest powers in the universe" to help me escape from my condition and offer me protection.   In the present instance, realizing that this seemed clearly to be a demonic sort of attack, I modified my request for help by addressing it specifically to "God" and the "Archangel Michael," to see if that would in fact result in any noticable effect.   

Within a few seconds, as has usually been the case for me when I awake paralyzed, I broke free of the paralysis, became fully consious in my bed, and continued to engage in prayer for protection..  I lay there in bed for several minutes, and three separate times, I felt a very strange and quite pronounced physical tingling sensation pass over my body.  I have no idea whether this was "angelic protection" --  or the sensation of being microwaved by a directed-energy-weapon from the next apartment wink  -- but it was real.  I also heard a high pitched tone in my head for several seconds (not clearly from either ear).  After a few minutes I went downstairs, felt the energy one more time, and decided to stay up for awhile and get some food in my stomach.   

Once event was over, I realized that the setting in which I found myself when I first became consious in bed was the living room of the flat where I had lived for two months last summer in the Netherlands, in a suburb of Amsterdam named Diemen.   I thought that was interesting -- was that a symbolic clue letting me know that the nature of the experience was in fact demonic, rather than alien or "just a dream?"  And if so, was that symbolism put there by my subconscous mind, to which most of us give credit as the source of dream symbolism, or could it perhaps have been inserted into the experience by an external force, perhaps to serve as the necessary "full disclosure" required to make the attack "legal" from a metaphysical perspective?    These questions go through my mind, but I'm not sure what the answer is.   

Also there have long been people speculating as to whether UFO abductions and related experiences had any connection to centuries-old stories of attack and abuction by spiritual beings.   Many mainstream UFO researchers, and even the Vatican itself, have publicly stated that the two phenomena are distinct and not related to each other.   I've never been convinced myself, however, and this experience really reinforces my feeling that it's all connected somehow, but that we're definitely missing some critically details.   It occurs to me, though, that if spirit entities such as demons have a physical reality "in the air," then it would just make sense if there is some kind of technology by which people could interact with them.   Some of the more arcane and off-the-wall research material I've come across over the past few years indicates that this is in fact the case, and so I think the gulf between physical UFO abductions and physical demonic encounters is not as wide as most people would suspect.

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#13 2008-01-06 15:59:34

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

Hi Morningsun 76,

I too think it's probable that your higher Self gave you your first realisation of the nature of the encounter by impressing you with the suburb named Diemen.  Even if you failed to consciously put 2 and 2 together your response to the demon may have come from a deeper level and more immediately than it may otherwise have.  Of course the paralysis said it all.  You just have to respond to whatever it is.


I've had countless waking dreamlike impressions that have informed me of something important and the same thing happens.  A word association often accompanied with a feeling (of positivity or forboding) reveals something important that the higher- Self wishes to convey because some action is required, often immediately.  I miss it as often as i "get" it but it's usually always understood at least later on.

I also occasionally experience the paralysis battle that you went through.   About a fortnight ago it happened to me again.  This time was a bit unusual.  Theres a point at which i realise it's about to happen and i realise i must respond vocally, but it is upon me in a millisecond.  Whatever it is, the entity can sense your realisation of the situation and your readiness to respond.  The moment i try to move or speak i am overwhelmed and cannot move.  I try to speak and my lips are forced closed.  The struggle begins right there and it's right then i am forced to panic.  Years ago i used to panic more (i think it projects those vibes at you to start the party) but less so nowadays.  Anyway it was different this time except that i couldn't say a word.... as usual... and then i fully awoke to the struggle and finally got the words out to Archangel Michael for protection. 

That worked and i drifted back off to sleep without much more to say.   All of a sudden a second confrontation arose.  I couldn't move or speak again.  The next thing i knew i leapt out of bed (out of my physical body... in a higher body... ) with a sword in my hand and wielded it in a figure 8 pattern making forceful calls to Archangel Michael.   As i started this i felt the force of the fear vibes from the entity but i tried to speak from the centre and not in fear that was coming up in me and at me.   As i continued what i was saying and doing, i got closer to my center and totally free of the dark force.  "I" got back into bed and asleep quite quickly.   I don't doubt i really bailed out of my body but i may have been able to do it because i didn't fully wake up the second time.  It may have been a much easier reflex in that state.

Anyway, i have felt at other times when i'm not under attack, an extraordinary power of spiritual light enter my room at times.  It is a light vibration that has filled the room and myself and palpably raised everything into the comforting presence of the silent witness.  I sometimes also see what i am feeling as a flash of white light or a gentle light blue or light violet/pink light accompanying the rarified spiritual vibration in the room and in myself.   I'm going to say it.... it is...  love and light personified in the presence of a spiritual being.  It has been Archangel Michael and others at different times.  A spiritual being of light is distinguishable from lower entities even if a lower entity might mask it's ugliness in a temporarily more beautiful form.  Not that i've seen a lower entity do that but i believe they can.  That is why the discernment by vibration is an important sensitivity to have.  Spiritual light cannot be faked.  Only the forms.  So, i don't think it's very accurate to name astral entities "spiritual beings".  They actually have no spirit and are incapable of traversing both the material and spiritual planes.  They're trapped in the lower astral or lower mental planes and can go no higher.  It is from those realms that they mess with the minds and emotions of people by projecting negative energy at us or sometimes by outright personal confrontation.   

I've read the Screwtape Letters too.  It's a great book.  I've still got the book in a box somewhere and might read it again now you mention it.   "The air" refers to a non- 3d plane of action, usually the lower astral and lower mental planes.  In the esoteric writings the air coresponds to the mental plane.  The way C.S. Lewis refered to "air"  he obviously just meant "invisible" from the sensate physical plane, but he couldn't define it in more arcane terms for his reading public.

As for the UFO / demon connection there's probably some connection at least in a false hierarchy kinda way.  That is, they interact with each other and get mistaken for each other because we physical beings experience them for the most part in non- physical ways.  Maybe it works something like the smooth shaven corporate business thug using a street gang punk to do some of his grubby business.  That's a very loose analogy because the worst of demons are apparantly not just lower minions.   They are very powerful on the dark side and subject hoards of weaker ones beneath them.  They call the shots and demand tribute.   But they are bound to certain realms.  Obviously the UFOs are not.

Our own spiritual Self is a greater power in the Light than those fallen beings are in the darkness.   But we have to develop the spirit to prove that reality.  Though the demons / neg aliens may wield feral force against us, we can develop the inner spirit to such a high degree that they will fear and obey our inner word.  That is not egotism on our part and i don't say it from that point of view.  It is just a fact as i understand it.  The power of the word is for the divine protection of spiritual beings like us who occupy the lower realms as we do.  We just have to develop it.  In the mean time it is lawfull to call to Archangel Michael to intercede for us in our battles with neg forces.  He lives to serve as a defender of spiritual beings like us, who are soul journeying through all the material planes.  He is a pure spiritual being and is powerful to enter any subtle material plane in our defense.  Even if you can't sense him, the call compels an answer.  So have faith because he is real.

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#14 2008-01-06 20:19:56

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

Hi nexus,

Thanks for your very insightful and thoughtful response.   It's good to know someone else out there can relate to what I am saying.   I kind of feel a bit odd mixing all of these apparently different subjects together, but I believe you are correct in that different beings have their own limitations and occupy their own range of spaces.   

I just got a voicemail message from a good friend of mine who also is very much interested in all this type of subject matter.   She apparently had a heart attack without realizing it and is now in the hospital, awaiting surgery of some kind tomorrow.   I don't know the details.    She is middle age and as far as I knew was in decent enough health.    She's into all these same sorts of things, has had her own interactions with dark entities, and I'm really concerned that someone or some group may have decided to do her harm.   We know that they have secret technologies and can kill people through the air in broad daylight when they choose to, a la Dean Warwick.   I will try and appeal to Higher Power for help; if anyone out there has had luck with "sending energy" or any of that kind of thing, that would be appreciated.   She's in New Jersey.

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#15 2008-01-06 22:02:27

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Re: Alien dreams or Illuminati witchcraft ?

morningsun76 wrote:

by the Christian author C.S. Lewis.   It's written as a fictional "letter" from a senior demon in the "High Command" to a low-ranking demon, "mentoring" the young one on the tactics of the dark side.   Among other things the senior demon explains, is how absolute secrecy regarding the demonic activities is Official Policy in the present day, because of the advantages inherent when victims do not believe in the demons' very existence.   Somewhat humorously, the senior demon explains that this policy does have its limitations, such as not being able to derive the satisfaction of openly terrorizing their victim.   The senior demon went on to state that in the future, they would attempt to get people to think in terms of "forces" in the universe, but never allow them to go the whole way and realize that there was an actual spiritual war involved, and that the spirits were real physical entities which inhabited the air itself.  ......

In any event, with all that in mind, I woke up paralyzed about an hour ago.  I was still in that in-between state between sleep and full waking-consiousness, and I was lying in my bed, but the room around me did not seem like the actual room in which I was sleeping.   There was a dark figure at the foot of my bed, and though I could not visually discern any features, I "knew" that it was a particular individual with whom I am in real life acquainted.  This individual has connections to Illuminati and the practice of wicca (yes, in real life they ARE connected, it is NOT just a fringe conspiracy theory.  Read Fritz Springmeier for more on this, if you are interested).   Anyway, I had the impression of this person's head rotating 360 degrees, and I tried to speak to them to ask them not to harm me, but I could not speak words, only mangled unintelligible sounds came out, and I had the distinct impression of this figure reacting to this with an amused contempt.

The "paralysis" before waking up completely seems to be a common occurrence for some people.
It's been reported by friends many times and the feeling of dread that comes with it is often a common factor of that experience.
It occurred to me that the C.S. Lewis reading you did in the daytime before this "experience" had a direct influence on your subconscious while sleeping and might have surfaced as you were getting closer to waking up.
The figure you saw/sensed may well be a symbol for things easiest represented that way by the subconscious.
Obviously a fear that this is all real obectively or subjectively is going to have certain effects.

Even though i've had experiences not unlike your own,
mostly i've found that fears and the subconscious material it produces is related to ignorance of truth.
Namely; the deeper implications of feelings of separation and belief in the reality of a "permanent" self.
some sages see it in this way: "everything is god" or "there is nothing outside The Self"
Self with a capital s that represents a "beyond the personal" perception of truth=
having woken from the dream of a real permanent objective world
and/or self and all the evil forces that appear from within it.

I'm not saying there isn't some subjective reality to the demonic aspect or "the shadow" that comes with the subjective personality...i dare say most of us regulars here at NR have experienced it at some point,
if not struggled with it much of our adult lives.

The difference at least for myself is that i can no longer assign objective reality to these "forces"
and see it all in terms of my relationship to various beliefs and misunderstandings/ignorance within myself.

The truth is we don't know what actually exists or does not exist in reality.
but we are free to experiment and find out for ourselves once we leave the province of borrowed belief structures,
superstitions and hand-me-down ideas and concepts that abound in earth culture.

The mind is an incredibly mysterious and powerful "force".
Western beliefs cannot account for a wide variety of phenomena and experiences that have been reported witnessed and some case documented in books like M. Talbot's "Holographic Universe" etc.
Perhaps all these are to show that we need to widen our perception of what is possible with the power of mind, subconscious suggestion (as Montalk so cogently pointed out)
can act very powerfully, in both good and "bad" ways.
However, I think it's all gist for the mill and is part of a process of learning who and what we really are.

I have also experienced that once the protection techniques e.g. visualizing "light" are part of the personal belief structure and are made a habit of, even though there may be some effect in some situations, it is not always for the better.

I have completely dropped that practice for the most part because i found it was attracting more "problems" than it was solving. I've since read in the thoth material that "using light" makes you more visible to the "beings" that consume etheric energy and make you an easier target to find.

Once you get into that whole mindset of forces "outside us", good and evil entities etc, it automatically comes with (partly because it reinforces the belief in, and sets up opposition to) predator energies.

**  I am not denying that there is something going on that some might term "a war"  **

I'm just pointing out what we do in many cases supports that reality rather than making for an alternative reality or perception of it.
I have experimented with most of the same techniques that are referred to in this forum for protection and relief from such energies. if requesting help from St. Michael works, that's fine...
in a crisis, but calling on Saints and saviors doesn't sound like a permanent solution for anything.

Perhaps not everyone has the ability to balance these techniques, suggestions and beliefs and the same thing might work in very different ways for various people
Each generation and age has produced some very "tangible" results, experiences, dis-eases and phenomena according to the cultural beliefs and conditioning that were the influences of that era.

In the past many have developed "stigmata" duplicating the wounds Jesus sustained on the cross (which many say and research seems to bear out: is a fictional account of what actually happened to the historical Jesus of Nazareth)
If this is not an example of what the mind and beliefs can do with regards to the body/mind, i don't know what is.

an inner authority has already been given over to a specific belief system and that may give the expected results.
This is also true of holy men and guru worshipers in India
Christians and mystical visions of the Christ
Etc etc etc

This appeared in another topic somewhere and bears repeating:

"I won't go over descriptions of the  book "The Biology of Belief", since many of you have heard of it and/or read it, but it ties in with practically everything: the more you believe something, the more it'll happen. Your cells listen to your thoughts ( for better or for worse) and will take the commands of your thoughts, then... it'll happen."
We've literally programmed ourselves.
The most powerful thing I've found is clarity of mind,
suspension for periods at least of all beliefs and thought structures by questioning same
inward looking and listening for the truth without reliance on outside agencies.

This has had the result of often feeling no separation from things...
Freedom from inner self sabotage and effortless well being available whenever awareness is possible.
taking responsibility for whatever is happening here, instead of placing blame on anyone or anything else
In this mode; becoming more powerful than the "experiences" that beset us.

Again i am not denying phenomena of any kind or it's seeming reality
i'm just pointing out that if we are not part of the solution, we may be part of the problem...

we can take the highest path to freedom...seeing what's really here underneath all this
or we can respond in conditioned ways that cause more suffering to ourselves and others

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