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#1 2007-11-24 03:16:04

Registered: 2004-03-25

Hyperspace Propulsion System

The following was said by Ben Rich in a 1993 UCLA speech. Ben Rich was director of Lockheed's Skunkworks division between 1971 and 1991:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

Back in 1980, an interesting paper was published, PROSPECTS FOR A BREAKTHROUGH IN FIELD-DEPENDENT "PROPULSION" (AIAA-80-1233) by A. C. Holt

Holt wrote:

If a breakthrough in space-time/field physics is achieved in the early 1980s, two advanced types of field-dependent "propulsion" systems could be developed and tested in the early 1990s. The two propulsion types are (1) Gravimagnetic Systems multipurpose propulsion systems which utilize the "gravitational" effects of coherent electromagnetic energy configurations, and (2) Field Resonance Systems - deep-space propulsion systems which initiate extreme but localized changes in the nonlinear coordinate transformation properties of space-time ("hyperspace jumps"). Preliminary analyses of astrophysical systems support a new theoretical model which describes the space-time/field interactions utilized by these "propulsion" systems.[...]In less than 10 years, we landed men on the Moon; in less then 10 years, we can achieve a breakthrough in field-dependent propulsion.

This paper by Holt was the topic of inquiry in a session with the Cassiopaeans:

Cassiopaean Transcripts wrote:

Q: Well, then I said: If the varieties of waves of the EM spectrum are unstable
gravity waves, then they could be added together which could arrive at some
total factor of electromagnetism, which then, if reversed, would express the
existence of gravity?
A: On the right track, or "rail" as in "rail-gun."
Q: Well, I can't go any further with that because I know nothing about
rail-guns, not even what they are.

Now, let me read this text: "I have recently come into possession of a paper on
magneto-gravitics and field resonance systems, presented by A.C. Holt from NASA
Johnson Space Center to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics'
16th Joint Propulsion Conference, June 30-July 2, 1980. Holt presents a project
using an already existing system known as the Coherent Field and Energy
Resonance System (CoFERS) [probably located at Los Alamos Labs' High Magnetic
Field Research Laboratory]. CoFERS utilizes a toroidal-shaped energy guide with
mega gauss magnetic field sources located along radius vectors equally spaced
around the toroid. CoFERS is shaped like a thick flying disc. Holt goes on to
say: "By converying an object's normal space-time energy pattern to an energy
pattern which differs substantially from the normal pattern, the gravitational
forces acting on the object are changed. The object's new pattern interacts with
the surrounding space-time and virtual energy patterns, such that the
interactive forces are substantially altered. The alteration of the
characteristics of the continuous field of force results in the apparent motion
of the object *through space-time*." [...] "Since the gravitational forces
acting on the propulsion system can be quickly altered to achieve the desired
motion, the *spacecraft* can make right-angle turns at very-high velocities
without adversely affecting the crew or system elements. The effective
gravitational field the *spacecraft/ aircraft* experiences can be nearly
simultaneously reoriented at a 90-degree angle, resulting in a smooth continuous
motion as far as the occupants are concerned." [ ... ] "The gravimagnetic system
is perhaps best suited for use in and around ... a large mass such as the
Earth." "While the gravimagnetic system is likely to be the first
field-dependent propulsion system developed, the field resonance system will
**bring stellar and galactic travel out of the realm of science fiction**. The
field resonance system artificially generates an energy pattern which precisely
matches or resonates with a virtual pattern associated with a distent space-time
point. According to the model, if a fundamental or precise resonance is
established, (using hydro magnetic wave fine- tuning techniques), the spacecraft
will be very strongly and equally repelled by surrounding virtual patterns. At
the same time, through the virtual many-dimensional structure of space-time, a
very strong attraction with the virtual pattern of a distant space-time point
will exist. ... this combination of very strong forces will result in the
translocation of the spacecraft from its initial position through the
many-dimensional virtual structure to the distant space-time point. [ ... ] "A
space-time 'jump' already appears to be supported by astrophysical research."

Having read this text, my thought is that it is very similar to what I was
talking about earlier today, and which was explicated by Karl von Eckertshausen
in regards to the 'violin allegory.' That is, that a violin string tuned to a
particular pitch, if plucked, will cause the identical string on another violin
across the room tuned to the same pitch to sound also. However, it seems that
what they are doing here is setting up a 'pitch' in this object which actually
exists somewhere else. And, by creating this resonance, it 'becomes' or
disappears from this point in space/time where its resonance is no longer
appropriate, and reappears at the point in space/time where the 'tuned
resonance' actually exists. It is both virtual and real. Is this text on the
right track, and am I understanding it correctly?
A: Propulsion system for 3rd and 4th density Alien spacecraft.
Q: That is the propulsion system?
A: Very close, yes.
Q: Is my understanding close to correct?
A: Well, that is a clever anecdotal parallel as it matches conceptually, which
is really the point, isn't it?
Q: The point? Are you saying that the anecdote is more to the point
than what this paper is saying?
A: In terms of consciousness, which is why everything exists ultimately, and
with gravity as the "glue" that holds all on physical
and ethereal planes together!
Q: Is the object to 'dematerialize' or is the object to transpose something that
is material to some other point in space/time? I
mean, when you collapse the gravity wave, is it necessarily that the object or
person 'dematerializes' or 'disappears' from this point...
A: Break the veil of "time," and dematerialization is no longer necessary,
because one enters the realm of pure consciousness,
where the illusion of physicality serves no longer, a purpose.
Q: Is it an issue for one to be able to retain internal coherence if one is no
longer in a physical state?
A: Internal coherence can only be guaranteed in a purely non-physical "state."
And this state is really only a state of mind, anyway!!
Q: If one were to travel in this manner, would it not be a temptation to not
return to the physical reality?
A: If one goes bowling, is it a temptation to not return to the parking lot?
Q: I guess if your only choice was the parking lot, I guess you would want to
stay, but if going to the parking lot meant getting in your car
and going home, then no. Now, glue. The thing is that one has to 'unglue'
oneself? Is that the point?
A: No.
Q: Well, if gravity is what holds material and ethereal existence together, and
you are going from material into ethereal states...
A: By your definition, you would be unglued, since you perceive the physical,
and thus are not completely stuck.
Q: So, you still have the ability to perceive the physical reality and the
physical world when you are traveling this way, therefore you are
not completely 'stuck.' However, we have talked about people who do get
completely 'stuck,' is this correct?
A: Close.

Also, anyone curious why the C's mentioned railguns, see this paper:
Longitudinal Electrodynamic Forces and Their Possible Technological Applications

Reason I post this is because A. C. Holt's paper hasn't been on the internet until now. Again, the link is:


Last edited by montalk (2007-11-24 03:27:07)

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#2 2007-11-24 23:57:19

Seeker of Truth
From: Present Day Earth
Registered: 2006-01-13

Re: Hyperspace Propulsion System

I remember watching the history channel way back, and seeing a guy talking of his R&D friend, who said we have already done starwars, and things like that. Thanks for the links, bookmarked and reading.

It's nice to see more life in this part of the forum. smile



#3 2007-12-19 02:37:44

From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Registered: 2007-12-16

Re: Hyperspace Propulsion System

For my school's annual science fair I'm going to build a coilgun (similar in concept to the railgun). In fact, here is the introductory paragraph that I sent:

"How well can a coilgun send a payload into space? How could it be built to optimize efficiency?"

Here is an outline of what I plan to do:

I will attempt to build a small scale model of a coilgun; it will function the same way as a larger one and the same setbacks will need to be addressed including: heat, power, the square-cube law, and a few other engineering concerns. After data is collected from test launches and other experiments, I will calculate exactly how this model must be scaled up in order to launch a payload of 25 tons which is equivalent to that of a rocket propelled space shuttle of today. Finally, I will compare the energy and cost expenditures required for both types of launch to really see how much more efficient one method is from the other. My data and all other findings from these steps will be presented along with some graphics and hopefully a video of a launch at the fair.

I'm still winding the coil (I wound a 4 ft piece of tube with 32 gauge laminated wire at first, but after a bit of testing, and later research, I realized how much better a shorter, multiple winding solenoid would be. I have about one and a half layers for about 1 1/2 feet so far. I have a few capacitors rated at 1000 F; my power supply's looking pretty good as well.

I'll hopefully win a medal in the fair and get some scholarship money for the mechanical engineering major I hope to take.

Though, imagine the acceleration that a space scale model would generate. It would accelerate at many many times Earth's gravity, making it unusable for a human. (You could build a railgun, very long and almost tangential to the Earth in angle to ease this acceleration. You could probably build a human grade one, but it'd be much more expensive.) Science fiction came up with another use for them: a raw material transport system. Railguns would be ideal for this purpose.

About this quote:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

The best thing is, there were interstellar spacecraft (well, probably more like intersolar, since it probably peaks around 10% speed of light) designs that have been thought up since before the 1950s. The Orion Spacecraft is an example. … pulsion%29

We would ruin a portion of the earth launching one of these things, but it could be done. There was a short lived successor that was thought up, Project Daedalus. It would've used H-2 H-3 fusion instead of fission.

We theoretically could achieve interstellar travel with any of these methods with our knowledge today. Getting people to fund such things is another story altogether when we have a government that'd rather give subsidies to dairy farmers to not grow stuff than to fund a space program.



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