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#31 2007-10-29 19:57:37

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Zejith_Themis wrote:

i can't believe i'm hearing fact-checking deprecated here.

Who cares.  It's an argument about Aleister Crowley.   If fact checking is what's irking you then why not save the energy for people who don't fact check the big things that actually matter.   Let's get some perspective here.   Aleister Crowley isn't important.  Not when big things are happening in this world.   I've developed a bit of a love/hate relationship with message boards for the exact sort of thing that's going on in this thread, people arguing round and round and round and getting pissy with each other over things that don't matter, and it's why I've curtailed my posting time and no longer post the way I used to.  I've talked about this in an email with somebody from NR, and they were in agreement with me that message boards encourage a dream state of mind.  People lose themselves and go off into this other realm via the link with their minds.  I don't understand the logistics of it, maybe it's the astral, I don't know, but people lose themselves.  They forget who they are, and they lose perspective on things and what really and truly matters and what's worth putting our energy into.  They're off someplace else, clacking away at their computers, irritated, fighting.  I've gotten sucked into it too, that's how I know what it's like, and it's also why I don't post much anymore.  It's creepy when you think about it.   It also seems no coincidence that threads that are about "negative" people seem to develop into arguments and people getting pissy, like the Virginia Tech shooter, or Aleister Crowley, to cite two examples.  It's like the icky energy of the person is drawn into the thread itself, and infiltrates, steering the direction things are going to go.

Anyway, not trying to personally attack anybody here, these are just the thoughts I'm having as I've looked over this thread, and I felt maybe it could benefit somebody to put this perspective out there.  If you truly don't see any problem with what's happening here though then carry on, don't mind me.  It's just my perspective and two cents.  Stepping aside now.....


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#32 2007-10-29 20:08:09

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

*sigh* i'm not making a character judgement, i'm making an evaluation of gullibility.

A purposeful misquote is not a matter of opinion. I've traced even why they got the title wrong, they were quoting from a published compilation; even more damning,  as this paticular book has extensive comments. It was not "ignorance" "confusion" or "opinion" behind the quote you brought in, argumenting through innuendo, and even more boldly now:

"No, I don't have proof that Crowley performed human sacrifices, just like I don't have proof that the current regime participates in those same kinds of rituals."

Again there is no grandstanding, just calling out of the false. You seem to have a particular attatchment to this tale, and speak of plenty of evidence (examples please, I await with slavering fangs).

Now, without being condescending, I submit to you that this "plenty of evidence" thrown rather off-the-cuff is another example of extreme supeficiality, and will require some substantiating to avoid me repeating the now much abhorred "s-word".

There is no one upmanship to boot, as we are always at square one. Nothing personal, I assure you, I just shoot down made-up BS when I see it.

I'm terribly sorry if you believed in it and emotionally invested yourself in it, but it's dead, Jim.

And lyra, yes it's about as important as which celebrities are NWO robots or not, but my point is the tittilating horror bits, the satanic memes, etc are another funnel. Fact checking dispels a whole nebulous shadow area that wastes people's energies. Learn once, be protected at length... yet the same memes being used 100 and on years now.

And do notice the parallel I draw in the psychology -- how "something this terrible doesn't require fact checking" traslates into 9-11 type zombiism --  I'm conducting an ontological front here, not just debunking Crowley Campfire Stories.

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#33 2007-10-29 23:23:03

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

I read some of Crowley's writings where he cites the importance of knowing the Hebrew letters and everything that is associated with each letter.  That is something that I have also been finding relavant.  Oh yeah, and he mentions that anyone that devotes their time and energy toward this, will develope a great memory.  I think that alone is very important. Giordano Bruno was noted for having an incredible memory.  I wonder how he developed it.

I took the day off because I've worked six days a week for ten weeks straight, and wanted a breather.  I'm trying to complete a lesson since I have the whole day, but it is too difficult to do in one setting without a break every so often.


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#34 2007-10-30 06:36:12

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3435




Information

Regardless of  Source

Is Neutral 

Only Personal Resonance Can Determine Value


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#35 2007-10-30 08:01:13

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Precisely, SiriArc!

For instance, even thinking, as I do, that yawehism, church christianity and organised islam are frauds, that doesn't prevent me from delving the significance of their symbols and formulae.. hundreds of generations of real mystics have charged the myths and names with resonance. Qabalah, Gnosticism and Sufism are central to my practical exploration, far more than Buddhism.

If you deconstruct even the hyper-lame Scientology mythos you'll find elements of gnostic doctrine. Be it ripped off from Hubbard's time in Parson's company or simple inevitable creative resonance with types and archetypes, it doesn't matter... once you've parsed the mythos, what does Xenu mean to YOU? ;-p

The importance here is on actually parsing the information, finding out what bits of n-th hand retelling actually pertain to source material, parsing the source material iteslf, THEN making resonance considerations or judgement calls on content.

Doing the last bits first will have two negative effects:

1) Precluding certain studies on prejudice.
2) Accepting certain presentations on prejudice (I call it the "head-bobber" effect)

The Crowley claptrap serves both purposes.

1) Sow confusion and fear over a vast area of occult study
2) Crowley is an intermediate "head-bobber" for insinuating evil in just about anything.

preliminary head-bobbers are truisms. sowing the beginning of a presentation with these gets the reader's head bobbing early.. the goal is to keep it bobbing throughout the article.

intermediate head-bobbers are "popular truisms" or tribal myths, that while not necessarily true (as surely as the sun circles round us each day!) are widely accepted. Mythological and Semimythological figures are often used (e.g. Nero, Crowley, Hitler, JFK, Lincoln, Jesus Christ)

in the end a string of different types of head bobbers keeps the reader in accord throught the article which usually comprises at least a couple incredibly, absurdly and obviously false statements, exaggerations or distortions; and entropy in general moves up a peg or two.

"Make yourself ignorant and there is more stupidity in the world" to negatively paraphrase a common booster-phrase.

93/93, yo...

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#36 2007-10-30 09:51:11

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

http://forum.noblerealms.org/img/avatars/1176.jpg

(I call it the "head-bobber" effect)

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#37 2007-10-30 21:41:10

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

:-))

Now see, Dwight* is obviously a serious, right-thinking citizen. He even knows to stand at attention whilst bobbing.

[*if that is indeed his real name.]

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#38 2007-10-30 23:37:20

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

SiriArc wrote : " Information regardless of source is neutral
                         Only personal resonance can determine value"

Somehow that has become a truism but it is not true.  Everything is information.  Nothing is neutral.  Ultimate source is the ultimate determinant of value.   While experiencing life in a state of duality consciousness, personal resonance cannot necessarilly determine ultimate value.   In that state of consciousness personal resonance can only determine relative value. 

Put simply, anyone can be wrong about the ultimate value of anything.  Just because something is prized doesn't make it valuable.  Granted, anything can be thought valuable.

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#39 2007-10-31 01:08:20

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Zejith_Themis, is the head-bobber saying, "uh-huh, uh-huh, yup, that's right, keep telling it brother!" I just had that picture crop up in my mind, is why I ask.

I hear what Nexus is saying also.  Information from a certain source which may be accurate, can also lead a person into putting possibly too much trust in that which is the propounder of this information.  I guess Nexus is back to saying Crowley is evil and that no good can come from evil.  I'm starting to get confused and that is never helpful.

I'll just quote Horace Greeley, " I accept unreservedly, the views of no man, living or dead."

Truth may be defined as that which is Reality; and present human intelligence can make but approximate advances or approaches to this Cosmic REAL which is measureless in its profundity and in its infinite reaches, and therefore never fully comprehensible by any finite intellect. It was a wise declaration, in one way, that Pontius Pilate made, as alleged, when Jesus, the great Syrian Initiate, was brought before him: "What is Truth!"; for a man who knows Truth in fulness would have an active intelligence commensurate with the Universe: and whose intelligence is universe-wide?

There are, however, relative truths, and it is relative truth that the human mind can comprehend and therefore can understand.

There is only relative proof also.  For if anyone declares a man is disclosing absolute proof, this person is declaring the man as well as himself infallible.  There is blind faith. In otherwords, something claimed as true because it says that it is true in this Book or that Book; this is what dogma has become.  People who pledge themselves to this type of creed, immediately allegorize every other creed as false.  The man who truly KNOWS is always reticent, if not invariably silent. He never in any situation calls attention to himself as a prophet or a seer. He says to those around him: "You have within yourselves the divine touchstone, by which you may test reality. Use this; in fact develope it.  I think it is an attribute that achieves great potential when a sturdy foundation of information, knowledge and understanding is built.  I feel this attribute is intuition.  A little voice inside each of us that says this is true, that is false.

As far as the evidence that people seem to be compiling toward proving that Bush blew up the world trade center, I don't think anyone in the federal government is interested at all in actually exposing this if it is true.  I think that our noble statesmen and women in the federal government are like the USSR and USA during the cold war.  I can't think of the phrase, what kept the two from going to war was the capability of assured mutual and total destruction.


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#40 2007-11-01 13:47:29

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Truth can be found at every level which, if recognised, may lead to a higher truth and then to yet higher... eternally.   Growth is infinite.   Jesus was silent in the face of Pilate's question "what is truth" perhaps because truth is always under each one's nose.  Maybe not the ultimate truth of ultimate spiritual identity, but the next step is always in plain view or thinly disguised in the way.  Jesus' conscious truth was far greater than words could tell so he was, at the point of this world's relative judgement, silent.  It is no man's duty to make absolute judgements about things of which he would not know.  Jesus left him to his fated role and to the influence of his inspired wife.

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#41 2007-11-01 15:26:40

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Nexus:

Everything is information.  Nothing is neutral.  Ultimate source is the ultimate determinant of value.

I don't think I agree with that at all... if anything "Ultimate Source" would be the viewpoint that actually does see all as neutral, and it is only Specific Viewpoint that can make a resonance call for positive or negative. "Ultimate Source" would necessarily be Source of all, therefore dissonant with none, no?

In manifestation there is only relative truth. Any universal truth would have to be incomprehensible from a specific, manifest viewpoint, wouldn't it?

I mean it would have to reconcile all possible viewpoints; the murderer and the victim, the ant and the anteater, the virus and the leukocyte, the oxygen, the hydrogen, the water produced and the rocket being upward thrust would all be one and non-contradictory in "ultimate truth"; a truth as useless "in the field" as living in a perennial Acid peak.

also, Antaeus:

I hear what Nexus is saying also.  Information from a certain source which may be accurate, can also lead a person into putting possibly too much trust in that which is the propounder of this information.

I was just shooting down false statements and faulty procedure in my posts, not dragging into the question of "ultimate truth", and the question of putting ANY amount of TRUST ito ANYTHING should not come up.

To say what you think nexus is saying is to miss my entire point. The information being accurate should not be a one-time check, that if it checks out leads to resigning oneself that that source has a hotine to truth.

NO! BAD SEEKER, BAD! 

Verify always! Reputation should be a null consideration, if you're interested in truth you're interested in truth; not image, not rep, not hype, not habit... just the facts, Ma'am.

And there is no proof. Even firsthand perception is liable to the filters of perception.  Look closely into everything, master the sophistication of "scientific proof" and "logic" but don't BELIEVE in THEM either.

And information is by itself neutral. Were this not so, the task of spiritual seeking would be, at this point, impossible due to the amount of intentional corruption layered onto all teachings through the ages by TPTB. --

But the fact is you can remedy "positive" information from frauds intentionally placed for control (you can still extrapolate valid mysticism from the Big 3 Religious frauds, for example) . If that doesn't attest to the negentropic power of conciousness I don't know what does.

If there were only Newtonian entropy without the negentropic factor of conciousness the whole show would be run down by now, and there would be no such thing as "valid information" left.

I think that we can determine what use we make of information, and effectively decide it's value -regardless of original intent behind the communication- just as similar sounds or scratchings on paper can be completely different signifiers for people with different cultural backgrounds.

Now with that said, it's obvious that 100% false information can be used to in a positive way, idealy, but applying false statements as if they were true is obviously going to lead to trouble.

Understanding Plato's Myth of the Cave is good use of Myth.  Spending generations of time and capitals of cash actually searching for the geographic location of said cave is not.

Is that viewpoint at all clear?

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#42 2007-11-01 15:44:45

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Just a thought going over in my head last night and today.

I think truth is part joy, joy is the quiet mind, into the quite mind comes more truth,allowed because of the stillness, which creates more joy, centered, knowing and continues forever.

I think truth is not a seperate and I really don't think it is subjective either.

How can what is be not what is for anyone else?

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Something tells me very strongly something stinks in the state of Crowley.

This may now not be true to others, the truth may seem to be in a subjective state but I never said this is the truth.

One thing is sure, something is either the truth or it is not the truth.

All else may very well be just your opinion unless you know what is truth?

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#43 2007-11-02 03:22:32

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Negentropic.  So if I want better chances to have a certain number appear, its better to roll two dice than one.

...It may be interesting, before passing on, to allude to one mystery-fact in illustration of the allegorical and symbolical character of the events described in the New Testament. It is there stated, in the words giving the mystical story of Jesus, that he came riding towards and into Jerusalem on an ass and the foal of an ass; and thereafter came unto him his life-work in the earthly Jerusalem; leading, as the legend sets it forth, to his arrest, his trial before the Roman Proconsul, Pontius Pilate, and to his death.

It is to be noted carefully that in the Oriental Mystical Cycle of the Hither East, or what is now called Asia Minor, the Planet Saturn was frequently mystically called and figurated under the form of an 'ass' -- or rather the ass represented that planet in mystical symbolology. In equivalently characteristic mystical symbolology the 'foal of the ass' was this Earth, because the ancient seers taught that this physical globe Earth was under the direct formative influence of the planet Saturn. This curious fact, and the teaching connected with it, which will indubitably strike the modern Westerner as being both extraordinary and startling, was based upon the ancient teaching of the Esoteric Philosophy concerning the interblending powers and influences of all the celestial bodies forming the solar system, each such body being intimately involved not merely in the life and evolution of every other body, but aiding in the formation or building of every other such body. It is likewise to be remembered in this connexion that the cyclical peregrinations of the Monad after death -- reference to which has been made elsewhere in the present work -- take place strictly according to the law and the established order in the Solar System, and according to the psycho-magnetic pathways, called the Circulations of the Universe, running from one planet to another, and connecting the sun and all his family of planets.

It is likewise to be remembered that the 'earthly Jerusalem,' according to the Jewish mystical symbolology, was this Earth, as the 'heavenly Jerusalem,' according to the Christian symbolology, was the 'City of God' in spiritual spheres and the goal of human attainment. When the reader remembers these facts, which it is taken for granted that he knows, he may begin to have a clearer idea of the highly mystical and esoteric significance of this story.

The Spiritual Soul, the inner Christos, rides into 'Jerusalem' -- material existence on Earth -- on an ass, meaning Saturn, and the foal of an ass, meaning this Earth; and the Monad, the Christ-Spirit, descending into matter thus,...

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Ck out this short book review.  Its very interesting.  http://www.revealer.com/review.htm


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#44 2007-11-02 10:28:41

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Maybe i shouldn't have used the term "ultimate source" without some explanation of what i meant.
 
"Ultimate source" OR it's "uncorrupted extention".... the inner spiritual "Son" / "Sun" 

By that i mean the "divine projection" of the ALLspirit which is within us and which has been called many names... Christ/ buddha/ Krishna/ Samboag Kaya/ Higher- Self ... etc.   That pure "projection" acts as mediator between the uncorrupted I AM Presence in spiritual planes and the soul corrupted by the affections/ addictions of materiality. 

Somewhere in the old testament  it has God saying "Mine eyes are too pure to behold iniquity"

There are levels of universal God consciousness which do not focus on the periphery of life... where most souls are trapped.   But,  a "projection" of 'Ultimate Source' is "sent into the world" ... "the only begotten Son" ... "which lighteth every man [-ifestation of the ALL] which comes into the world."

The inner "mediator" [the spiritual- self] sees all levels of reality and can focus attention on the fallen soul wherever it may be in vibration.  It is empowered to descend "into hell" and extend the "hand of spirit" to souls who have vibrationally divorced themselves from a vibrational affinity to "Source".  From the beginning [in spirit] to the ending [in matter] the inner Christ is empowered to reveal spiritual selfhood to the soul... by degrees.  It is empowered to separate the real [ spiritual vibrations] from the unreal [carnal vibrations] in the consciousness of the soul and to transmute the unreality, thus freeing the soul to know self as God.   The soul is tested to see if :

1) if it knows the difference between the vibrations of the real self and those of the shadow- self,
2) if it is willing to surrender the known shadow- self for the relatively unknown real- self, 
3) While resolving this duality in the inner spiritual fires, to discern and to do the will of spirit in all things.

Every person is at a different stage in that process.  Some are nearing the spiritual resolution of all inner dualities while some have not begun, preferring instead to rebel against the very process and 'person' of the spiritual mediator.   The vast majority of humanity fall somewhere in between, consciously unaware of the opportunity for self transformation. 

Things are what they are.   Some forms are created with a very spiritual vibration by people vibrationally close to source [or it's projected "Son"].  Other forms are created by people with a very carnal vibration who are divorced from source.  Spirit values spiritually vibrant forms and has power to change/ transmute any lower forms into higher ones.  This is the divine purpose.  Carnal beings value lower forms and have the power to change spiritual energy [what they can steal] into carnal, spiritually dead forms.   But ultimate value is ultimately determined by ultimate source [or it's projection of itself as the "Son"/ "Sun" of God.... a luminous spiritual being in our own hearts.]  Naturally our own attunement with the inner spirit will give us the heads up on value.  While the inner spirit is an infallible judge of value our souls trapped in some degree of duality consciousness are not infallible.  So the true path of spiritual oneness is essential if we are going to "put off the old man [-ifestation of carnal mindedness] and put on the new [spiritual- Self]." as Paul wrote.


"Ultimate source" values those energies which have passed through a pure lens [a spiritualised mind] into form.   Those forms [energy...  in - form- ation] are not neutral.   Such forms are of greater value than those which have resulted from energies which have passed through the distorted lens [of a carnal mind] into form.  While the energies have ultimately originated from the same source, the quality of the individual mind determines the quality of creative forms and therefore their utility to the whole and thus their value.  Is the individual mind a pure mirror for the inner spirit? and therefore an open door for spirit's creative will?   Or is the mind filled with  accumulated distortions regarding the true nature of self and therefore divorced from the higher- will and it's creative spiritual impulses?  Through the endless cycles of the ages, the universal mind makes judgements about what to immortalise and what to recycle based on eternal values.  VIBRATION will determine survival.  The ALLGOD never created the low carnal vibrations.  The ALL gave us the energy, individual consciousness and freewill to create spiritualised forms [if we valued our spiritual oneness] or carnal forms [if we did not.] 

Expediency, selfishness, hatred, murder, envy, bloodlust etc are not created by source and therefore are not eternal and can be proven so [in the life of the individual] by self- transmutation.  This personal change can be permanent but the individual must surrender to the superior will of the higher- Self and be willing to give the inner spiritual identity self- expression in form.   The individual must align the soul and mind to the higher mind in order for there to be a greater release of spiritual energy into the world of form.   Without that process of soul surrender  the spiritual-Self cannot release the greater energies because to do so would only feed the passions of the carnal mind.   But when surrender happens,  the first creative act of that spiritual flow is to begin to refine the lens of the individual mind and to re- member the fractured soul.  If that surrender and sacrifice [of the artifices of the carnal mind] is not accomplished by the soul, then the ability of the individual to create enduring spiritualised forms cannot eventuate.  Without that process the oneness of soul and mind with inner spirit is not possible.

Only the Spirit can 'embrace' the shadow and transmute it.   In such a meeting of forces Spirit is superior and sets free the energies locked in shadow forms.... if those forms are seen through and surrendered.   But, if the wounded soul under the malignant influence of the carnal mind [and astral demons] seeks to embrace the shadow by giving it unbridled expression, then the Spirit will not transmute the prison bars of the shadow-self.  The Spirit will leave the soul to it's material affections and lusts.  Oneness within the individual will have to wait for surrender and transmutation.

Thanks for your posts Antaeus.  i think it's important to find the deeper explanations for the words of scripture [east and west].  While no book is error free it makes them harder to dismiss.  More like a treasure hunt.

Khalil wrote "one thing is sure, something is either the truth or it is not the truth."

I agree.   the key to the discovery of truth is to have some connection to the true self.  Truth will resonate with that self.  The true self can confirm truth even when all the senses are contrary.  The true self can direct you to "step forward" when all the external indicators demand that you step back.  Conversely, the true self can direct you to "step back" when all external indicators are demanding you step forward.  To fail to discern the source of that inner direction and obey right when it's happening is usually to fail somehow and to discover in retrospect that you knew the way if only you had listened.   It's not always easy to be led by the spirit as the menagerie of contrary impulses have to be overcome.   And while these divine directions are not "the" ultimate truth, they are true nevertheless and if heeded will lead us closer and closer to the inner fount of all truth.

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#45 2007-11-02 11:12:30

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Nexus, alot of what you have said almost makes sense and is very interesting.
The stuff about  duality is good, I think there might be something in that to do with all.
The anger, jealousy, hate, ect not being from source and therefore not eternal, that's very good.

This is just a thought and retorical or if you would like to respond ofcourse you don't need permission:

Somewhere in the old testament  it has God saying "Mine eyes are too pure to behold iniquity"

Would this be the same god who sees everything? *Scratches head*

I agree.   the key to the discovery of truth is to have some connection to the true self.  Truth will resonate with that self.  The true self can confirm truth even when all the senses are contrary.  The true self can direct you to "step forward" when all the external indicators demand that you step back.  Conversely, the true self can direct you to "step back" when all external indicators are demanding you step forward.  To fail to discern the source of that inner direction and obey right when it's happening is usually to fail somehow and to discover in retrospect that you knew the way if only you had listened.   It's not always easy to be led by the spirit as the menagerie of contrary impulses have to be overcome.   And while these divine directions are not "the" ultimate truth, they are true nevertheless and if heeded will lead us closer and closer to the inner fount of all truth.

That is quite beautiful.

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