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#1 2007-10-10 23:41:39

Bhang
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They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

I don't care what the Christian bashers will say. This video offers some rather valid points from a biblical point of view.

They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley Pt.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQxdMPQaSo
They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley Pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sj158DK … mp;search=
Pt. 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA8BYmm5 … re=related
Pt. 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq7Akddv … re=related
Pt. 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqd4BPfM … re=related
pt. 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOL8V06B … re=related

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#2 2007-10-10 23:56:12

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

A much better documentary entitled : The wickedest man in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNCQaaUpZlc&NR=1


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#3 2007-10-18 03:43:47

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It has been removed due to terms of use violations.  I've studied what was in existence prior to Christianity, and I've seen how they have taken names from other religions pre-dating them, and totally changed the identity of the charactor these names described.  I've also seen what Christians believed at the beginning of Christianity and how much of that has been anathematised, which quite literally removed many esoteric keys making the understanding of both the Old and New Testament practically impossible.  I have only lately been capable of understanding many of the Bible verses that I was previously clueless about their meaning.  This was from studying Theosophy.

However, I no longer have the fear I once had at the prospect of studying Crowley's works, and I notice he makes the same flaw in understanding Buddhism, especially the meaning of Nirvana, that many people in Europe did for a very long time.  He accentuates and intensifies the word annihilation when associating it with Nirvana to make it seem that oblivion is the goal.  As he also does the same with attributing the goal of non-attachment and relieving oneself of desire to affect the impression that a Buddhist does not acknowlege any of the beauty of Earth or the simple pleasures of life with people on this Earth. 

In fact, many people in the West still think of Buddhism as a philosophy, when in fact it is very esoteric.  I won't go further into that as I will instead address more of what is in the second paragraph.  Buddhism is more about abandoning that which is mean and wrong, base and petty and selfish.  It is about opening up the inner nature so that the god that is within may shine forth.  The Boundless is what we strive to be like and therefore evolution is endless.  The Hierarchies without are mirrored within One Self.

Now this is my opinion, which I have little to back it with; Crowley attempted dialogues with entities and that immediately halts further progress toward becoming an Adept.  I feel it is corrupting to any but one who has become an Adept.  I'm replying to an old post so I probably am talking to very few readers.  I will part with a little jibe at Christians, I watched both of those video's and listened as the speakers voice seemed to rise in crescendo as he blathered on.  I think of Christians sometimes as naieve children as they are too selective at what they study.  If for instance, any Christian at all claimed to have a degree in philology, I would demand to see their credentials.  I don't believe any Dr. of Philosophy holder in philology would be a Christian.  If they did much study at all in that area they wouldn't be a Christian!  I imagine it is not completely out of the realm of possibility.  Unlikely though.

In the third paragraph I used the word Boundless, where Adi would be more appropriate if speaking from the camp of Buddhism.

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#4 2007-10-18 20:27:31

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Biblical Schmiblical.

All knowledge is a two edged sword.  Crowley at least had the balls
to look at the ALL without BLINKING.  I don't know any fundamentalist
Xtians who are brave enough to do that.  They'd rather play it safe (allegedly)
and follow the diseased and contaminated scriptures from the Demiurge,
aka Yaldabaoth, the false vengeful wrathful alien creature from some
Corporate Sin Galaxy.

Critical thinking skills are apparently not part of their toolboxes.

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#5 2007-10-19 02:49:25

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Tom Paine wrote:

Biblical Schmiblical.

All knowledge is a two edged sword.  Crowley at least had the balls
to look at the ALL without BLINKING.  I don't know any fundamentalist
Xtians who are brave enough to do that.  They'd rather play it safe (allegedly)
and follow the diseased and contaminated scriptures from the Demiurge,
aka Yaldabaoth, the false vengeful wrathful alien creature from some
Corporate Sin Galaxy.

Critical thinking skills are apparently not part of their toolboxes.

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I certainly don't question his courage, only what was collateral to it.  I need to check out Theurgy some more.  I've only just began reading some of Crowley's works and it brings Theurgia to mind.  Iamblichus and Plotinus and Porphurios are noteworthy in that area.  I don't go too far in denigrating any religion because when I do that I feel like I'm hurting individuals at the same time. 

I've had a paper sent to me on critical thinking skills before.  I wonder what she was trying to say? smile


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#6 2007-10-20 14:40:37

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

Crowley has not had the balls to look at the ALL without blinking.   He wouldn't know the ALL if he fell over it.  He was too busy pushing the body and the carnal mind to the lower limits ... that is... while he wasn't busy brushing aside "everything old" with his general miscomprehensions of spiritual things.   It is a brave man indeed who would rather self destruct than alight this world in original spiritual condition.  If Crowley really was brave he might have confronted his own lower nature and transmuted it.   Instead,  by all reports, he indulged it with abandon.  By doing so he abandoned the inner christ spirit for the company of devils... which he acknowledged himself.   The idea that anyone can take that path to spiritual oneness is a complete fallacy.  There was no light in AC.   

"And if that light be turned to darkness, how great is that darkness"

Alistair Crowley's darkness was great, it was on display and he revelled in it completely.  He opposed the light from a perspective of total ignorance of the light and it's historical revelations, and he glorified the rebel he found in it's place.  He thought he had fathomed the depths of his own nature but did not get past the riptide of his own ego.

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#7 2007-10-22 17:22:47

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^ Amen to that.


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#8 2007-10-22 18:48:48

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Tom Paine wrote:

Crowley at least had the balls to look at the ALL without BLINKING.

Oh, that's pretty funny. The ALL? Is that what he was staring into while he was whacked out on smack? Well then, Crowley stared into the ALL, all right. And the ALL stared right back. It would seem to me that Crowley blinked first as the ALL has a tendency to stare a lot harder and a lot longer.

I won't champion my skills as a critical thinker too loudly, but I know enough to realize that there's probably a better use of my time than to go looking for the Creator in the bottom of garbage cans.


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#9 2007-10-22 23:20:16

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Nexus said:  ... busy brushing aside "everything old" with his general miscomprehensions of spiritual things.   It is a brave man indeed who would rather self destruct than alight this world in original spiritual condition.  If Crowley really was brave he might have confronted his own lower nature and transmuted it.
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That was good nexus.  Sometimes I think that is what is referred to when it is said, "that knowing his time is short..."  That it is our aspects that simply dissolve back into the elemental soup rather than raise up to heavenly and divine rest, that get a bit upset at the prospect.  The physical body and astral body are both remembered, just like the soup that is within the cocoon once the catepillar dissolves, and there is no trace of DNA and still a butterfly is born.  I want to go on, but, I think you said it pretty good about the part of the mind most closely related with matter and the world, needing to aim emotional energy a little higher. 

I can't get my thoughts together anyway.  Something I should already have completed is still unfinished.  Only way to finish is to get back to it.


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#10 2007-10-23 14:01:13

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:-))

93, all...

Bhang you haven't touched a single one of the titles i dropped on ya, have you? FishNet Videos hold the key to understanding all, it seems...

Antaeus: " Buddhism is more about abandoning that which is mean and wrong, base and petty and selfish."

i.e. anhihilation of the ego?  or perhaps we should call it Leary's "Robot"? or "Conditioned world-view"  or is it the word "annihilate" that irks you? The concept, in the end, is always the same though. The PRACTICAL concept. People can fight over words forever (and some here probably will), but it's always, Bhuddist, Zen, Sufi, whatever... all about getting the duck out of the bottle without breaking the bottle.

sukaido: garbage cans. nice.   critical thinking? you do well not to boast.

"Crowley really was brave he might have confronted his own lower nature and transmuted it."

yes. the darkenss is the confronting part. if you look through your nature an run from anyhting less than happyhappy joyjoy sainthood you find, you'll probably do more running than transmuting. John Bull is not the best guide to his worldview or method, you know.


Would everyone do a bit more reading (of relevant material) before posting their sage considerations on a lifetime of work, basing themselves on a few snippets, anecdotes and contextless quotes instead of the (considerable) corpus of work itself?

I'd be able to take "truth-seeking" a  lot more seriously if i saw that.  It's not just with these "favorite figures" of the spooky-rumour factory... it's with EVERYTHING. Most of the "research" is being done in this mode and i'm finding it all too entropic to be of any bloody use.

It's another kind of [bread and] circus[es]. 

*sigh*

KALLISTI!!!

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#11 2007-10-23 14:45:43

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Re: They Sold Their Soul To Rock And Roll: Aleister Crowley

ZT--
I was wondering if you'd ever weigh in on this topic.
But like you, I don't have any patience with people who
haven't bothered to read any of AC's work, and have
only read or looked at the sensationalist accounts.
Most of the anti-Crowley writings are from knee-jerk
reactions to the superficial appearances of him and
his actions.  He delighted in pissing off fundamentalists
knowing full well that they'd never penetrate the
mysteries of existence like he did. 

Kind regards,
Tom Paine

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#12 2007-10-23 16:17:33

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ZT: Hm, right. Thanks.

TP: You did it again. This seeking of same-ness based on what one deems privileged, not-for-the masses, highly classified "relevant" material grows wearying. Then using one's personal understanding of this material as a basis for substantiating one's distortion of faith or experience over that of another is about as fundamental is it gets.

If I were going to consider myself enlightened based on an account of how darkness shone through the life of a historical figure, why then should it benefit me to attempt to piss off another body of believers or seekers, or anyone, for that matter, by lumping them into a general category of "less than thinkers"? Does this act make you then a "thinker" or merely a "reader"?


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#13 2007-10-24 00:30:52

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Zejith_Themis wrote:

:-))

93, all...

Bhang you haven't touched a single one of the titles i dropped on ya, have you? FishNet Videos hold the key to understanding all, it seems...

Antaeus: " Buddhism is more about abandoning that which is mean and wrong, base and petty and selfish."

i.e. anhihilation of the ego?  or perhaps we should call it Leary's "Robot"? or "Conditioned world-view"  or is it the word "annihilate" that irks you? The concept, in the end, is always the same though. The PRACTICAL concept. People can fight over words forever (and some here probably will), but it's always, Bhuddist, Zen, Sufi, whatever... all about getting the duck out of the bottle without breaking the bottle.

sukaido: garbage cans. nice.   critical thinking? you do well not to boast.

"Crowley really was brave he might have confronted his own lower nature and transmuted it."

yes. the darkenss is the confronting part. if you look through your nature an run from anyhting less than happyhappy joyjoy sainthood you find, you'll probably do more running than transmuting. John Bull is not the best guide to his worldview or method, you know.


Would everyone do a bit more reading (of relevant material) before posting their sage considerations on a lifetime of work, basing themselves on a few snippets, anecdotes and contextless quotes instead of the (considerable) corpus of work itself?

I'd be able to take "truth-seeking" a  lot more seriously if i saw that.  It's not just with these "favorite figures" of the spooky-rumour factory... it's with EVERYTHING. Most of the "research" is being done in this mode and i'm finding it all too entropic to be of any bloody use.

It's another kind of [bread and] circus[es]. 

*sigh*

KALLISTI!!!

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I was the first to reply to Bhang and as I have to date, only read Crowleys writings of the Three Schools of Magick, I was only replying to his characterization of Buddhism.  I didn't 'slam him.'  I do usually agree with much of what Nexus posts, but that was Nexus and not I who jumped all over Crowley.  I still believe that Crowley utilized the etymology of the Sanskrit term Nirvana to neatly sweep Buddhism under the rug.  Its easier to push others down rather than continue the ascent.

There are two ways of reaching Truth, two methods of penetrating into the arcana of the mysteries of the Universe, from its spiritual parts down to its physical; and these two ways or methods are, first, by means of Man's spiritual-intellectual nature itself which is rooted in the very substance of the spiritual world, and indeed is an integral part thereof. For any normal human being whose constitution has not been undermined by vice, nor weakened by some wasting disease, can, if he will lead the life proper thereto, come into sympathetic unity or oneness with spiritual Nature through his own inner being's cognising its essential unity with the Universe, and thus becoming the recipient, as a channel or canal, through which the higher energies of the Universe may flow and become manifest as thoughts, intuitions, intimations of truth, in the chela's or disciple's mind.

The other way or method is that of training and initiation, which is not different from the former method, but is the former method elaborated into systematic procedures; because such initiatory training and final success are but a quickening of or hastening over the evolutionary progress that all human beings undergo through the cycling ages. In other words, initiation is but quickened evolution.

...Man is man because of his divine faculties of lofty intelligence, of spiritual intuition, of understanding, of capacity for knowledge, of love, of his sense of duty, of his moral sense -- a godlike thing this last also; he is such indeed because he represents better and in larger and fuller degree than does any one of the inferior Kingdoms, the innate spiritual powers which are self-expressing themselves through his psycho-mental and physical apparatus, built up through ages past from the incessant evolutionary urge working from within.

We humans are 'fallen gods,' 'fallen angels' with capacities divine, active or latent, enshrined within our minds and souls. We shall return to the high spiritual status or condition which we left in the beginning of the present period of cosmic evolution, in other words, to our former status of divinity which we had left, but in doing so reaching higher levels than those from which we departed. We shall in time re-enter -- and one may here use the mythological phraseology of the ancients -- the Bosom of the Divine in far distant future aeons, but then we shall no longer be un-self-conscious god-sparks, as we were when we began our aeons-long pilgrimage, but shall re-enter that Divine as fully self-conscious gods, having gained fulness of character, vast experience, and the full blooming of individual will-power and wide self-consciousness.

Tantra(s)
(Sanskrit) A word literally meaning a "loom" or the warp or threads in a loom, and, by extension of meaning, signifying a rule or ritual for ceremonial rites. The Hindu Tantras are numerous works or religious treatises teaching mystical and magical formulae or formularies for the attainment of magical or quasi-magical powers, and for the worship of the gods. They are mostly composed in the form of dialogs between Siva and his divine consort Durga, these two divinities being the peculiar objects of the adoration of the Tantrins.

In many parts of India the authority of the Tantras seems almost to have superseded the clean and poetical hymns of the Vedas.

Most tantric works are supposed to contain five different subjects: (1) the manifestation or evolution of the universe; (2) its destruction; (3) the worship or adoration of the divinities; (4) the achievement or attainment of desired objects and especially of six superhuman faculties; (5) modes or methods of union, usually enumerated as four, with the supreme divinity of the kosmos by means of contemplative meditation.

Unfortunately, while there is much of interest in the tantric works, their tendency for long ages has been distinctly towards what in occultism is known as sorcery or black magic. Some of the rites or ceremonies practiced have to do with revolting details connected with sex.

Durga, the consort of Siva, his sakti or energy, is worshiped by the Tantrins as a distinct personified female power.

The origin of the Tantras unquestionably goes back to a very remote antiquity, and there seems to be little doubt that these works, or their originals, were heirlooms handed down from originally debased or degenerate Atlantean racial offshoots. There is, of course, a certain amount of profoundly philosophical and mystical thought running through the more important tantric works, but the tantric worship in many cases is highly licentious and immoral.


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#14 2007-10-25 13:54:32

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ODYSSEY OF THE DEVIL HORNS
Who is responsible for bringing metal’s famous hand signal to the tribe?

~ By STEVE APPLEFORD ~

t is called the mano cornuto, the horned hand, with index finger and pinkie raised proudly as the sign of the beast, ready for an unholy wave to your favorite demon king. The Horns of Cernunnos. The woolly Goat of Mendes. And the edifice of Scaccia Scalogna, source of the ancient code to defeat the “evil eye” and its power to wilt the fruit on trees and the mojo of men. Or, it means nothing at all – nothing beyond the international greeting to heavy metal ecstasy, aimed at all the flawed rock gods with their Marshall amps and electric guitars. It is there that the horns still carry some tribal significance, and where the local monster metal fest might carry a giant foam-rubber facsimile of the horned hand to be waved from across the arena, as harmless as a pillow.

Satan must miss the attention. It had been his for centuries, used with conviction just in the last generation by Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey himself. To Wiccans, the raised fingers were like antenna to receive a jolt from the mighty and mysterious Goddess. The sign still worries evangelists, but it truly belongs to rock now, as a declaration of love and testosterone in the presence of Ozzy or Metallica or the next speed-metal band to plug in onstage. It is a valentine between rock star and superfan.

Singer Rob Halford has no idea where it came from, and he probably picked it up from the audience. But it provides a big moment every night onstage with the reunited Judas Priest, right in the middle of “Painkiller,” as the band drifts into a passage of lengthy metal-guitar riffing. That’s when Halford steps up to the edge of the stage. “I throw a metal-god pose and put my horns in the air, and the crowd goes f*cking ballistic,” Halford says. “It’s like holding up the NBA trophy. It’s a unifying moment. People go, ‘Oh, my god, look what he’s doing – that’s me!’ It’s a moment of recognition.”

But its source in rock is a mystery. And it has grown into a subject of uninformed debate in parking lots and online. Gene Simmons of KISS wrote in his 2002 autobiography that it was his accidental invention, the inadvertent gesture of a great man, repeated at concerts and picked up by fans. Not likely. Former Black Sabbath shouter Ronnie James Dio also takes the credit, first raising the horns before joining the band in 1978. And he’s expressed alarm over the image of Britney Spears fans raising the sign at concerts by the dancing diva of lip-synched pop. The truth is elusive.

One Internet gadfly calling himself Physical Discomfort writes of Dio, “Hell no he didn’t pioneer the devils hands thing!” Then he insists that a live photograph inside the 1972 album Black Sabbath Vol. 4 reveals Ozzy and fans throwing the goat into the air. A potential revelation … so I dig out my buried copy, searching for a moment of pure cartoonish evil, a possible crossroads where heavy metal’s flirtation with the Satanic and ridiculous began. And there it is: peace signs. The hippie dream, and not a demon’s head anywhere.

The time has come for a survey, and first on the list is Dave Grohl. The Foo Fighters frontman and Nirvana drummer is in town to conduct his own headbanger paradise on a Hollywood soundstage, where he’s shooting a video for his metal side-project Probot, sitting in with Motörhead’s Lemmy Kilmister and 70 models from SuicideGirls.com. Between takes, Grohl poses for a magazine photographer. The man is a kind of redheaded, Mephisto-looking hipster, who begs Grohl to flash him “the goat” again and again. He refuses. Grohl’s roots are in both metal and punk rock, where, if used at all, the horns tend to be wielded ironically. I ask later where he first saw the mano cornuto. “Honestly, probably at a Black Flag show, which doesn’t make sense. But you’d have the f*cking burnouts that would come to see Black Flag after rippin’ Sabbath in the parking lot for a good half-hour.”

Later, I ask Lemmy the same thing, noting the casual claims of Gene Simmons. “Well, he would, wouldn’t he?” Lemmy remarks. “He is so eeevilll. Come on, gimme a f*cking break.”

Lars Ulrich of Metallica has no doubt at all: “That’s got to be Ronnie James Dio. I remember Rainbow used to play in Denmark about every half-hour, so I used to go see it every half-hour. And Ronnie James Dio did a lot of that. Back in ’75, ’76, ’77, it was all about Rainbow and Black Sabbath and Thin Lizzy.”

In a separate interview, singer-guitarist James Hetfield, answers, “I think Dio.” Then he goes on, with a smile: “I think Spider-Man originally. It’s also ‘I love you’ in sign language. I don’t know, I think it’s ‘Two more songs!’ – you know.”

One could make the pilgrimage to the medieval Italian hill town of Barga, Tuscany, and the carved visage of the Scaccia Scalogna, an ancient face set right into the wall along the Via di Mezzo. Locals in search of better luck and divine intervention travel to the cragged, alien face to press their horned hands right into the statue’s eyes. Which takes the demon salute into the realm of Moe Howard of the Three Stooges, who enjoyed ending conversations with a pair of fingers in the eyes of his closest associates.

Even President George Bush has raised horns to the sky, suggesting all kinds of possible conspiracies and connections, entangled in Skull & Bones and star chambers. More likely, Bush is signaling his piety to the Texas Longhorns, gridiron warriors for the University of Texas, where a football-crazy male cheerleader named Harley Clark first raised the “hook ’em horns” signal at a 1955 pep rally. Clark is a retired state judge now, and definitely no Satanist.

Dio remembers the gesture from his Italian grandmother in New York, making a sign to ward off the “evil eye.” He does not claim to have invented it, but says he brought it to the metal masses as far back as his days in Rainbow, before replacing Ozzy Osbourne in Black Sabbath in 1978. When VH1 weighed in this year with 100 Most Metal Moments, No. 3 was Dio’s use of the gesture as the universal signal for heavy metal. “It’s nice to have been able to create something that’s going to last for a long time and be credited for it,” says Dio. “But I’m sure some guy named Og invented it 25,000 years ago.”

And it belongs today in the hands of a deadly serious rocker, he argues, not the Top 40. “Going to see someone in a bustier doesn’t seem to make any sense when they raise that sign up there. And they get it wrong. There’s a way to do it. You have to lean into it and have a certain facial expression.” For Dio, the sign “puts an exclamation point and a period to what you’re doing. I don’t do it for frivolous reasons. It was a natural thing for me to do. And perhaps it looks theatrical now because it’s overused, even by myself.”

But Dio was not the first rock musician to raise the horns high. It’s not the devil’s sign to everyone. It is also the password to the Mothership, the P-Funk juggernaut first launched at the beginning of the ’70s. George Clinton and Bootsy Collins have been trading the “P-Funk sign” ever since, a kind of sci-fi-funk interpretation of the old Vulcan “live long and prosper” greeting from Star Trek’s Mr. Spock.

A friend arranges a meeting with Clinton. I hand him a photograph of Dio making the hand signal, and tell him this is the man (or one of them) credited with bringing it to rock. Clinton stares at the picture for a long, silent minute, breathing heavily. Another minute passes. He’s never heard of Ronnie James Dio. It’s the P-Funk sign, man. The mystery continues.

Then I mention Simmons, and Clinton smiles. “He should know better,” he says with a laugh. KISS and Parliament-Funkadelic were both on Casablanca Records in the ’70s. “Our costumes were made at the same place,” he adds. “And we had ours made there first!”

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#15 2007-10-25 18:27:26

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Re: Critical Thinking Skills

http://www.ncrel.org/sdrs/areas/issues/ … a3crit.htm

Paul, Binker, Jensen, and Kreklau (1990) have developed a list of 35 dimensions of critical thought:
"A. Affective Strategies

S-1 thinking independently
S-2 developing insight into egocentricity or sociocentricity
S-3 exercising fairmindedness
S-4 exploring thoughts underlying feelings and feelings underlying thoughts
S-5 developing intellectual humility and suspending judgment
S-6 developing intellectual courage
S-7 developing intellectual good faith or integrity
S-8 developing intellectual perseverance
S-9 developing confidence in reason
B. Cognitive Strategies--Macro-Abilities
S-10 refining generalizations and avoiding oversimplifications
S-11 comparing analogous situations: transferring insights to new contexts
S-12 developing one's perspective: creating or exploring beliefs, arguments, or theories
S-13 clarifying issues, conclusions, or beliefs
S-14 clarifying and analyzing the meanings of words or phrases
S-15 developing criteria for evaluation: clarifying values and standards
S-16 evaluating the credibility of sources of information
S-17 questioning deeply: raising and pursuing root or significant questions
S-18 analyzing or evaluating arguments, interpretations, beliefs, or theories
S-19 generating or assessing solutions
S-20 analyzing or evaluating actions or policies
S-21 reading critically: clarifying or critiquing texts
S-22 listening critically: the art of silent dialogue
S-23 making interdisciplinary connections
S-24 practicing Socratic discussion: clarifying and questioning beliefs, theories, or perspectives
S-25 reasoning dialogically: comparing perspectives, interpretations, or theories
S-26 reasoning dialectically: evaluating perspectives, interpretations, or theories
C. Cognitive Strategies--Micro-Skills
S-27 comparing and contrasting ideals with actual practice
S-28 thinking precisely about thinking: using critical vocabulary
S-29 noting significant similarities and differences
S-30 examining or evaluating assumptions
S-31 distinguishing relevant from irrelevant facts
S-32 making plausible inferences, predictions, or interpretations
S-33 evaluating evidence and alleged facts
S-34 recognizing contradictions
S-35 exploring implications and consequences" (p. 56)

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