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Topic: Conjuring Hitler - How Britain and America made the Third Reich

Did you know about the anglo-western groups that blew the wind in hitler's wings?

Dear all,

I'd like to recommend to you a book which I've recently come across:
"Conjuring Hitler - How Britain and America made the Third Reich" by Guido
Giacomo Preparata, Prof. of Political Economy and Economic History at
University of Washington, Tacoma (London, Ann Arbor: Pluto Press, 2005).
ISBN 0-7453-2181-X
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Conjuring-Hitle … 074532181X
http://www.amazon.com/Conjuring-Hitler- … 074532181X

It totally challenges the conventional view of the history of the first half
of the 20th century, arguing that Britain and America (especially the
former)  deliberately and deceitfully set out to create an extreme
conservative reactionary force in Germany (a force which became the Nazis)
after Versailles that could be used to throw Germany against the USSR. This
strategy was based on the grand geopolitical idea, first enunciated by
Halford Mackinder and others in Britain in the first decade of the 20th
century that  it was vital that continental Europe under German leadership
never be allowed to establish a Eurasian alliance with Russia, as this would
effectively terminate the global domination of the English-speaking "Sea
Powers", Britain and the USA. In brief, Britain and the USA carried out
strategy against Germany and Russia, Preparata argues, by:

1) manipulating Russia 1916-1922 so that the Bolsheviks would triumph
2) supporting and financing Hitler 1922-33 until his takeover
3) destroying the German economy 1919-1923 so that Germany's control over
its own finances could be ceded to the USA (Dawes Plan) in order that they
could then burst its bubble when the time was right, which happened after
the Great Crash (1929) that was engineered by the City and Wall St (notably
Montagu Norman of the Bank of England)
4) financing Hitler in his bids for electoral victory 1930-33
5) enabling him through their proxy von Schroeder (of the Schroeder Bank) to
gain the Chancellery in January 1933 5) supporting the Nazis throughout the
1930s with loans, aid, military supplies, diplomatic assistance, denial of
support to anti-Nazi forces in Germany
6) playing a deliberate double game of diplomacy throiughout the 1930s to
lure and trap the Nazis
7) having enabled the Bolsheviks to seize and consolidate power 1917-1922,
they supported them and helped them industrialise and encouraged them not to
obstruct the Nazis to any serious degree during the 1920s and 30s so that
Russia could be the wall against which Britain would inexorably and
stealthily drive the Germans 1917-1944 until the 3 years 1941-44 when they
were crushed; Churchill refused to allow a landing in the West until the Red
Army had effectively destroyed most of the Wehrmacht (by June 1944); the
western allies thus had a relatively easy time after D-Day ('easy' compared
to World War I, that is).

One must be grateful at least  that a western academic has written such a
work. It's a brave thing to do; it's the kind of book people put their
careers at risk with,  though I note it came out 2 years ago. Maybe the
mainstream are killing it  with silence. I recall no mainstream attention to
what is, after all, a  dynamite thesis that turns 20th history conventions
on their heads.

However, from an academic point of view the book does have some serious
weaknesses, apart from its style, which is often overloaded with  cumbersome
phraseology and unnecessary latinisms which will have even  well-educated
English speakers reaching for their dictionaries.

1) One of his key contentions is the overarching influence of Mackinder, but
he doesn't actually show definitively any real links between Mackinder and
the power elite. He just describes Mackinder's views and then, in effect,
describes the Anglo-American foreign policy  actions and infers that they
must have been following his programme. That  surely won't stand up in
academic historical circles.

2)  He's pretty good on the 1920s and Montagu Norman's manipulations - he's
an economic historian after all,  but he's poor when it comes to the crucial
years of 1930-33. E.g. he makes clear how Montagu Norman and Benjamin Strong
(Bank of England and New York Federal Reserve bosses respectively)
manipulated the  markets to engineer the Great Crash (something similar
seems to be going on  right now, in fact!) but he doesn't go into anywhere
near enough detail  about how the Nazis were actually financed. From the
bibliography and the Notes  one can see he's read many of the 'key' sources
that have also contributed to challenging the mainstream view, including a
lot of  unconventional stuff (and unfortunately, rather too many references
to David Irving; his detractors will spot that) but he doesn't make enough
use of  Anthony Sutton's work for instance (e.g. Sutton's books "Wall St and
the Bolshevik Revolution", "Wall St & the Rise of Hitler"). It's not enough
only to mention Thyssen's  financing from 1930 onwards; one needs to know
how the West was financing  the Nazi party organisation after 1921-2; until
then, it seems the  Reichswehr was funding it. Who was funding the SA and
Nazi Party  organisation 1922-30, for example? He doesn't really go into
this enough, unlike  Sutton.

3) Another major weakness is that he has far too little, hardly anything of
substance, about the role of  the Vatican in smoothing the Nazis' path,
especially 1932-4.

4) It feels rather as if he got exhausted by the time he got to 1930 and
had  to hurry up to finish the last part - 1930-44. He makes a reasonably
convincing case that Montagu Norman was a real evil genius and has a lot
on him in the 1920s but has almost  nothing to say about him after 1931 yet
Norman continued to be the Bank of England Governor until 1944.

5) A key part of the story is where Papen manages to outwit Schleicher in
January 1933. If Schleicher had managed to outwit Papen instead of the other
way round, then, as Preparata himself says, "Germany would probably have
been saved" from Hitler. The Nazis were at their wits'
end and close to bankruptcy in Nov-December 1932. Hitler was even talking
about blowing his brains out. Preparata implies that this is where the
Anglo-Americans brought their man (Hitler) to power, but he only mentions
briefly the financier von  Schroeder "and his syndicate of investors" and
the key meeting at his  mansion where the deal was done.Then he simply says
that 3 weeks later President Hindenburg  sacked Schleicher, implying that
this was the result of the meeting at the mansion. Von Schroeder certainly
had British connections but Preparata  doesn't go into any detail here. It's
all very circumstantial, to say the  least. Compared to this very thin
treatment, there are pages and pages about  lesser characters such as
Matthias Erzberger, Thorstein Veblen and the master double agent Ignatz
Trebitsch-Lincoln, who worked for the British. What he  says about T-L and
his role in the Kapp putsch (1920) is certainly fascinating, but  it's only
a sideshow within the whole story, whereas what happened in  January 1933,
when Hitler finally became Chancellor, was crucial.

6) Another important part of his thesis is that the Soviets were shadowing
British policy ever since the Revolution and in effect playing along with it
to trap the Nazis. Well, again, he does the 1916-22 period reasonably well,
but doesn't really show how Stalin was persuaded to comply with
Anglo-American wishes in the 1930s. There's almost no mention of Averell
Harriman's company and other Wall St operations, for example in this

7) There is also too much store, I feel, set on American sociologist
Thorstein Veblen and his "prophecies" of what would happen to Germany. He
comes close to saying that Veblen's prophecies are some kind of proof that
the Brits were planning the whole thing. Again, interesting though Veblen's
"predictions" are, such reasoning will not stand up in 'the academic court
of law'.
e.g. p.263. "So deception was employed on a major scale to trip [sic?] the
Nazis into the inescapable war on two fronts. That such was the intention at
Versailles may not be doubted. The astonishing prophecy of Veblen is there
to attest it." But he offers no evidence that Veblen actually knew anything
of the actual thinking of the Anglo-American planners or had met any of
them, read any of their views etc.

8) At certain points there is rather too much reliance on the book  "Hitler,
Born at Versailles" by Leon Degrelle (1987, Institute for  Historical
Review). Degrelle was the Belgian fascist founder of  Rexism and commander
of the SS Walloon Legion, and IHR is regarded with  scorn in the mainstream
as one of the leading historical revisionist and Holocaust denial groups.
The use of such material only predisposes  Preparata to dismissal by many

Nevertheless, Preparata is certainly no Nazi apologist or Holocaust denier;
at least, his text gives no real indication of that. What seems to motivate
this bold and feisty book is his sense of the rank hyprocrisy, deviousness
and utter
ruthlessness he has detected in the behaviour of the western allies,
especially the British (with their longer traditions of such behaviour).
From 1900 to 1945 he seeks to show how, following their long-term aim to
destroy and then control Germany in order to prevent its alliance with
Russia, they completely outfoxed the gullible, ignorant and foolhardy German
leaderships of the Second and Third Reichs and the Weimar Republic. Hitler
thus becomes to a considerable extent their creation. Preparata  is appalled
at the consequences of their actions 1900-1945: Bolshevism, Nazism, the
destruction and division of Europe, the deaths of countless millions
including those of  the Jewish Holocaust. What he DOES manage to do in his
book is put up at least a very plausible  case a) that the British were
thoroughly machiavellian and b) that their foreign policy, in its main
thrust if not necessarily in all its details (they too had setbacks
sometimes) was a conscious design, rather than a clumsy, well-meaning,
error-ridden improvisation, as the mainstream would often have us believe.
In  other words, if the reader gets to the end of this book, unless he was
already totally prejudiced by the conventional view before he started it, he
will at least begin  to think: "hmm, yes, very interesting, it could indeed
have been like that. Now, is further corroboration to be found?" The book -
if it is read (!) - will, I feel,  serve to get some people thinking along
other than the conventional tracks. It's very much worth a read to challenge
your entire view of the 20th century.

Best wishes,

You can check out what his students say about Preparata at:
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRat … tid=356937
Here is his email address:
And there is a pic of the man himself


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Gurjieff would say that most men DO nothing, that events mostly just happen.  Most men just go about each day living by their impulses and habits.  The men who possess higher consiousness are mostly trying to keep the automotons from self destructing.

The STS higher consiousness beings just simply lack the quality.  They for the most part just play Mephistopheles with some evil plan that always gets turned this way and that and leads back to a path of constructive growth.  The biter bitten is the rule. 

I could go on about conspiracy concerning WWi and WWii from what Hans-Hermann Hoppe and David Icke wrote.  Yeah, yeah, the evil blue eyed man is oppressing everyone.  What I have noticed from people that claim to be a victim, through the decades, is that they play the role of predator quite frequently.  Their words make them out as victims, their actions make them out as predators.  They roam around crying out 'I'm a victim' as they go around victimizing people.  I'm getting sick of 'em.

Most of the crybabies are from the Forth Root-Race of men, and lo and behold, we are already winding down the Fifth Root-Race of men, great numbers of the Sixth are already here.  We are all ONE and we don't hold onto bloodlines.  We intermingle and the blood of every human is the blood of every other human.  I don't hold any power in the Kingdom which is this matter we live in on Earth, and I don't care about the ones who crave it and squabble over it.  Everything I need is within me all the way to Adi.


Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
You have to believe in the impossible in order to become.

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I was watching the movie "The Corporation" yesterday and it showed how corporations in countries not allied with the Axis of evil were helping the Third Reich in the name of profits. IBM was helping Hitler produce a systematic way of identifying people through this hole-punch card system to help with the Final Solution..

"The universe is on fire with wonder, beauty, and ecstasy." - From the Undines to Humanity

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salut druid !

juste pour te dire  que j'ai écrit un message pour le theme "pope is warned for a green antechrist". J'espère que tu me répondras et j'aimerais beaucoup rentrer en contact avec toi.
Mon email : innatalite@yahoo.fr

Je ne sais pas si tu es la meme personne que sorath sur le blog de la huitieme sphere...



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Another read on this is "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" --  by Sutton --

The mills of the Gods grind slow, but oh, how fine they grind.!

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"Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" --  by Sutton
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books … index.html

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\Zionists did the Holocaust hoax/
-Eric Hufschmid-

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Multinationals have invested in every wayward regime so I do not think its too wise to read too much into any particular case, other than greed before morals. They are still lining people up at the side of ditches in China for a single shot in the back of the head.

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Have you heard about the Holocaust Industry (Norman Finkelstein) and the use of the Holocaust to manipulate others by making them feel guilty?

Did you examine the zionist power structure? The power of the Israel lobby?

This is real. Yet one must see that the worst antisemites are zionists, and stupid neo-nazis.

Hitler was brought to power by big banking (jewish) money. He was a zionist stooge who believed that zionism was a great movement and an the antidote to the so-called "jewish problem" (in Mein Kampf).

Zionists and Hitlerians agreed to scare the hell out of the Jews to make them flee and go straight to Israel, to colonise Israel.

a Zionist even said: "A cow in Palestine is not worth a thousand German Jews". He dais that because as a zionist he did not wanted to help the Jews who were persecute in Germany. This is to say how much the zionists wanted the Jews to get out of Germany.

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I never liked studying history, but put in a very tiny effort to it once.  I even read a couple of tedius volumes, "Immigrations and Migrations," and, "Conquests and Cultures."  It seems to me that every race and ethnic group on this planet has had their fair share of pain and suffering. 

It has been suggested to me once that evidences of past races show up now and again, but suddenly traces of their existence suddenly appears to stop.  One possibility that is posited, is that they communally ascended to a higher plane of existence. 

If I am always fixated on the evil doings of another.  The object would be, ' the other ' and the subject, ' evil doings. '  So subjectively, I would always be fixated on evil doings.  It is a natural and logical outflowing consequent therefrom.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
You have to believe in the impossible in order to become.

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druid wrote:

Have you heard about the Holocaust Industry (Norman Finkelstein) and the use of the Holocaust to manipulate others by making them feel guilty?


Did you examine the zionist power structure? The power of the Israel lobby?

Yes I am well aware of that, being from Britain you may find these sites of interest, maybe you have seen them before


This is real. Yet one must see that the worst antisemites are zionists, and stupid neo-nazis.

Well yes to an extent, but also the average Jews who support the Zionists do not help the situation.

Hitler was brought to power by big banking (jewish) money. He was a zionist stooge who believed that zionism was a great movement and an the antidote to the so-called "jewish problem" (in Mein Kampf).

This part is conjecture on which I am undecided, it would appear that Germanys economic success occured after they had removed the control of the Zionist Bankers, which is why they had to be crushed at all cost. It could not be seen that an economy could not only be successful but actually booming without being part of the world financial system. One clue here is that Germany was denied access to oil and had to make its own from Coal.


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From the Satanic calender:


Easter Week-end:  Black mass/black sabbath.  To mock the death of Jesus Christ, a man is sacrificed on Good Friday.  On Easter Sunday, known to satanists as unholy sunday, a woman or man is sacrificed followed by three days of fasting and chanting.

April 19 - 25  Sacrifice preparation:  kidnapping, holding and ceremonial preparation of person for human sacrifice.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha … lendar.htm

Some food for thought:

Unholy "Super-Blood-Rituals"  to mold minds of the populace while appeasing evil Gods.

80% of the population to be wiped off the map
and one of the ritual dates that seems to keep popping up:

April 19 is the 109th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar (110th in leap years). There are 256 days remaining.

2+5+6= 13
13 of course being a favorite occult number.

Interesting side note of April 19th:
April 19, 1943, when Dr. Albert Hofmann first took his discovery LSD intentionally. Three days earlier, he had absorbed a small amount of the drug through his fingertips. On Bicycle Day, he took 250 µg of LSD at 4:20PM and, fearing he had made himself ill, bicycled home from his lab. He wrote about his experiments and experience, which was later put into his book LSD: My Problem Child.

April 19, 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt  announces that the US will leave the gold standard.(Enter the Unconstitutinal Federal Reserve).

April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City Bombing (Subliminal preparation for Police State/Patriot Act and attacking Militias.
(I bet the bomb went off at 9:02 or 9/11) but the elite knew that would be way too much showboating).

April 19, 1993, Waco Massacre. (Attack on Militias and 2nd Amendment)

April 19, 1999, Columbine Shootings. (Mind Control and Security Upgrades - also the school of the Rebels "Symbolic-Patriots" look like terrorist. The Swat Team came in and shot up Rebel Pride.)

April 19, 2005, Cardinal Ratzinger (German Nazi?) was elected by his fellow Cardinals to the throne of St. Peter, Bishop of Rome, Shepherd of the Holy Catholic Church.

Let us not forget ol' Hitler's birthday was only a day later on April 20 or 4/20.


I also noticed that April 19 is 109th day of the year.
April 19th is also 110th in leap year.


19 Hijackers and 110 stories of the WTC....



Intrigued by the architecture of the Murrah Federal Building Memorial, I decided to count the stones on the face of the memorial. I counted the complete slabs ( half slabs are colored yellow) and came to the conclusion of 88. Due to the poor quality of the picture I cannot be sure. But the number 88 can be considered a "Master Number". Yet this is not what pushed me to post about it. You see; there is a gang here in Germany known as Eighty-Eight  also known as Crazy 88 . What makes this significant is that the eighth letter of the alphabet is H. For this German gang, 88 translates to H.H. or "Heil Hitler" .

With all of the talk of the 4th Reich alive and well within America (Prescott Bush) I thought it was noteworthy. (If the opposing side of the monument also has 88 complete slabs then in total that is 176 slabs.
1+4=5 (this reminds me of the 5 sided PENTAGON.)

Also notice that 88+9:03=an even 100.

Holy crap! I just found this:

http://www.oklahomacitynationalmemorial … id=2668574

Hans and Torrey Butzer and Sven Berg of Butzer Design Partnership, Oklahoma City, OK.

Butzer Design Partnership was established in 1990 shortly after its partners, Hans and Torrey Butzer, graduated from the University of Texas at Austin. For a period of two years, they completed various residential projects and graphic commissions. In January of 1992, they relocated to Germany, where they spent 5½ years working with several architectural firms. During this time, Hans and Torrey continued to pursue further commissions for the Partnership, primarily through participation in various European architectural competitions.

In early 1997 while living in Berlin, Germany, they participated in an international design competition for the outdoor symbolic component of the Oklahoma City National Memorial. Hans and Torrey" associate Sven F. Berg assisted with the submission of their design.

Look at the number on the actual model of the memorial:

why did it change from 9:01 to 9:03?

Was it a 9:02 then? (9/11)



The same site mentioned in the link above contradicts the memorial!

On the morning of April 19, 1995, Timothy McVeigh parked a rented Ryder truck with explosives in front of the complex and, at 9:02am, a massive explosion occurred which sheared the entire north side of the building, killing 168 people.


So they muddy the waters concerning the time of the bomb because it would be too "In Your Face" to show the 9/2 connection.


To bring this all back to Hitler I point no further than Prescott, George & George Bush.
Let's not forget

1.) Operation Paper Clip: "The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology."
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/pr … erclip.htm and http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha … erclip.htm

2.) Wernher von Braun: The CIA assisted Braun via Operation Paperclip to work in America "From 1937 to 1945, von Braun was the technical director of the Peenemunde rocket research center, where the V-2 rocket --which devastated England--was developed. As noted previously, his dossier was rewritten so he didn't appear to have been an enthusiastic Nazi. Von Braun worked on guided missiles for the U.S. Army and was later director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. He became a celebrity in the 1950s and early 1960s, as one of Walt Disney's experts on the "World of Tomorrow." In 1970, he became NASA's associate administrator."

3.) All the great Nazi's at NASA. http://writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holo … nazis.html

4.) Nazi Moon Base: "The Germans landed on the Moon as early as probably 1942, utilizing their larger exoatmospheric rocket saucers of the Miethe and Schriever type. The Miethe rocket craft was built in diameters if 15 and 50 meters, and the Schriever Walter turbine powered craft was designed as an interplanetary exploration vehicle." http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/moonger.html

5.) Nazi Antarctic Base: In 1938, Nazi Germany sent an expedition to Antarctica with a mission to investigate sites for a possible base and to make formal claims in the name of the Third Reich. To prepare them for their mission, they invited the great polar explorer Richard E. Byrd to lecture them on what to expect. The following year, a month after hostilities had commenced in Europe, the Germans returned to Neuschwabenland to finish what had been started, with many suggesting that a base was being constructed.
Nine years later, Richard E. Byrd, who by now had become an Admiral in the United States Navy, was sent to Antarctica with the largest task force ever assembled for a polar mission. In Admiral Byrd's own words, the mission (code-named Highjump) was "primarily of a military nature".1 Many claim that the task force was sent to eradicate a secret Nazi base in Queen Maud Land, which the Nazis had renamed Neuschwabenland and which had never been explored as profoundly as the rest of the Antarctic. But, and the big but is, the fact that Admiral Byrd spoke of "flying objects that could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds"2 and with well-documented German activity before, during and in the immediate aftermath of World War II, one can't help but wonder whether there is some truth in the Nazi Antarctica myth. Even so, could Operation Highjump and Byrd's quotes have overshadowed the truth about British excursions in Antarctica by way of misinformation, bringing attention to his mission and, by doing so, making sure that history only remembered one mysterious Antarctic mission?

6.) The Bushes: "George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,1 … 40,00.html

7.) The Royal Family:

Prince Henry is wearing the desert uniform of Gen. Erwin Rommel's German Afrika Korps. Gen Rommel was nicknamed "Desert Fox".

George H. W. Bush spoke of war with Iraq in 1991.  In that same speech, George H. W. Bush announces New World Order on September 11th, 1991 Exactly 10 years to the day, before the inside planned massacres of September 11th, 2001 calling the Operation "Desert Fox"


8.)Prince Philip has broken a 60-year public silence about his family's links with the Nazis: http://tinyurl.com/2frev8

That's just the tip of this iceberg.

Hyperdimensional Blogging

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The Untold UFO War in Antarctica. Part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97YkOWwU … mp;search=
The Untold UFO War in Antarctica. Part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn0prGhL … mp;search=

Hyperdimensional Blogging

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Bhang wrote:

80% of the population to be wiped off the map

Oh yeah I finally went to see the guidestones a few months ago, its only about a half hour or so away from me.  Really weird how its stuck out in the middle of nowhere, in a confederate flag wavin' neighborhood no less.  I think they picked the highest elevation in the county but why Elbert County of all places, I don't know.  I feel like there is some significance to the location that isn't generally known about, but I didn't feel like hanging around to investigate too much that day.

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druid wrote:

Have you heard about the Holocaust Industry (Norman Finkelstein) and the use of the Holocaust to manipulate others by making them feel guilty?

Sympathy for the Chosen People.

"There cannot be progress without expression. There cannot be expression without separation. There cannot be separation without progress."-Ouroboros