Re: Ron Paul for President?

Yea, I love seeing a good thread go down! 
This was about Ron Paul for President, right?
Bhang, bearer of glad tidings, I live in New York City. Well, Brooklyn to be exact. Am I going to die from the firey, concussive force of a nuclear blast in downtown Manhattan, or am I going to die a lingering, painful death from radiation fallout caused by a dirty bomb? This joyful life inspiring apacolypso song is not new on the charts but since it's about to commence should we just cancel the primary's this year and party like there is no tomorrow? Oh, wait, there is no tomorrow, I forgot.  Yea, I don't have to go to the dentist.


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Nexus, early in this thread I expressed my curiosity with the interest shown by people who don't live in the US, in our elections.

I still don't get it. Call me ignorant, (yes, I am) but I never gave even a passing thought to any other nation's candidates, nor was I ever slightly concerned with who'd win.

Just scratching my head a bit more is all.

This would be like me knowing my Aussie celebs. Mel Gibson and Paul Hogan.
(there's others?) I just wouldn't think to care.

And that's not a shot at Australia or anything.... most times I think I'd much rather be there.

That's not my point however.

We are keen to lotsa stuff here on this forum. That's why I do get a little frustrated, as do some others, because it often seems on threads like these we forget so much of what we know, and start pretending once again, that the dangling carrot is reachable.


Sorry, but I had to.

In no way do I wish to deter people from doing anything they believe will make a difference. I do love seeing so many people wanting change. It is encouraging.

I want a whole different brand of revolution.
I respect the man and those fighting for him.

But for me, the best of the worst still won't do.


Happy to have been a part


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Hi ape-x

I guess the issues are the same no matter where you live.   And RP is a lot more than the best of the worst.  If there was a similar candidate in Australia the least i would do is vote.  I'd find out what that is worth first and then see what happened next and take it from there.  I would consider it a start that needed my own participation if it was going to have any chance.  Anyway ape, i'm not oblivious to what Americans are up against and i see why you feel check mated.  I guess i haven't heard of an alternative way to stop a nation gone mad coming to a front door near you.  I don't see how any alternatives can quarrantine any American from what is coming... except build a cabin in the wilds and leave the front door open just waiting for someone to catch up with you.  It's very frustrating.   

After watching that youtube vid, street polling the general knowledge of Americans?, i figured they could do with a helping hand.  Jokes aside, if the USA goes into open lockdown, a new 'dark ages' (much, much darker) will cover the USA and the whole earth.  While the leaders of the USA are wearing a mask, thin though it is, they will have to accomodate a genuine confrontation to their abuse of power.  If the people apply enough force the elite will have to yield in some measure if only  to keep the mask in place.  "Oh why didn't you say so... we're reasonable people... sheesh ya coulda just said."  The more  that happens the more the people are able to push forward and remove the elite's mask themselves... in stages.  I accept that could lead to a radical push back by the elite but that will happen anyway if you don't push forward.  The people's belief in their powerlessness fosters the continual brazen usurpation of unconstitutional power by the elite.  The more power the elite grab, the less they need the mask to hide their ugliness.  The less they need the mask the more likely it is that they will remove the mask without looking much different.   At a certain point for the elite, all pretext of a mask will be dropped because US citizens will have been forced to oppose by coarser means or live in humiliation.  Either is possible.  But neither is avoidable unless remedial action is taken.  Even then, all hell could break loose. 

I hear you ape- x...  Whatever else you're alluding to, a revolution in higher consciousness is the ultimate answer.  Do our best in the world and do better in ourselves.   Good luck.


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Thanks for the reply nexus.

When I was fairly young, my father told me he voted once, for Nixon.

Nixon father swore to never vote again.
It took a few years for me to understand that. But still, I did not piggyback that point of view.

I thought he was overly pessimistic. No longer. He knows the current scenario somewhat, and he knows the Watergate scandal pales in comparison to the corruption now. Nixon was my father's Ron Paul in many ways.

I don't mean to make a direct comparison between the two, I use this as an illustration
only. Have things improved since Nixon was inaugurated?

Hope and truth seem to go together about as well as oil and water. Blind hope, or blind faith is often ignorant of reality. Conversely, truth rarely leaves much room for hope.

I'd rather spare myself the disappointment of RP losing, (or worse) by not giving it more than minimum attention. Does that mean I have no hope for our future as a nation?

Pretty much.

Does that mean I have no hope at all?


Do I have to ignore some of this to maintain my own hope?

Seems that way. But it's more complicated than just that. RP is a phenomenon, and noone can dispute that, other than the MSM
who keep rubbing their eraser all over him.

I have a feeling that a wide swath of RP's supporters don't really know what bandwagon they jumped on, they just know it doesn't belong to HillbamaBeeCain.
And that's good enough for them. In this case, their blind push is not a bad thing.

But, many of these same people refuse to see the need for a ground-up overhaul.
This virus IS systemic. They don't see that.
They think deleting the icon from their desktop will also uninstall the program.

The RP re'love'ution is an awesome thing.
And probably many of the people are much more awake than I think, and are trying to work within the confines of a halfcrashed program, to do what they can to put the patches in place. And for that, massive kudos.

I will wait for my new OS, and no Vista, thank you. wink


Happy to have been a part

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My friend just synchronicitically brought over They Live.  A little close to home eh? smile

Here's Ron Paul's response that was edited out of FOX's replay and not found on their website - people keep reposting it on YouTube though. smile

The contortion mapped on McCain's face after the Ron Paul's rally of applause is priceless.  The people don't want endless war?  DOES NOT COMPUTE, DOES NOT COMPUTE.

It's gonna be an interesting year!

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FYI the latest Ron Paul newsletter....

January 10, 2008

Did you see that funny YouTube where Mike Huckabee's young Iowa spokesman endorsed me, "by mistake"? We know what was in his mind! Indeed, I am amazed at the friendliness of the supporters of other candidates. Many Obama voters, for example, in Iowa and New Hampshire are reading our literature, and studying our ideas. It's just one of the reasons I am so optimistic about what we are doing, and where we are heading. And so were the 500 or 600 people at our New Hampshire rally after the primary. I talked to everyone there, and they are rightly enthusiastic about our movement.

This does not mean we will have an easy time of it -- just the opposite, of course. After all, we are seeking to reverse more than a century of big government, of the warfare-welfare state, of Federal Reserve's dollar manipulation, of a fat and happy military-industrial complex, of the subversion of our Constitution. So all the media and other "second-hand dealers in ideas," as F.A. Hayek called them, who have a vested interest in the current order, will do everything possible to smear me. They will do and say anything to try to block our movement.  Even vote fraud is not beyond these people.

And we have been successful. This movement has always operated on two tracks -- intellectual and political, and must. The first and most important is the intellectual. Such heroes of freedom as Ludwig von Mises, Hayek, Henry Hazlitt, Murray Rothbard, and so many others like Rose Wilder Lane, John T. Flynn, Isabel Patterson, and Garret Garrett, have helped build the foundations of freedom, prosperity, and peace. We carry on their work, to change hearts and minds.

The other track is political. Here too, we have touched millions with our ideas, and recruited many, many thousands -- not only in Meetup Groups and as voters, but as sympathizers and future voters too. Walter Block was kind enough to call this effort the most important in the long history of libertarianism. I don't know about that, but I do know that even if we place a solid fourth, rather than the higher place we all want and are working so hard for, that is huge progress.

But we can never forget that this is a long struggle. Many great men and women have lived and died in this cause. I have been deeply involved in it all my life. It is a matter of educational work, and elections. We may not accomplish all we want, in one or even two elections. But we will accomplish it. Young people now living will see the free society that you and I dream of, as their everyday reality, an America at peace, prosperous and free, with the federal government chained down y the Constitution, as Jefferson said.

Does this mean our campaign has done everything right? No! We have made mistakes, and will make them again. Not only because errors are to be found in any human endeavor, but because an effort like this, to repeal a hundred years and more of evil, is brand-new on the face of the earth. But now is the time to stick together like the brothers and sisters we are, to stand side by side in this fight against the media toadies, warmongers, and Wall Street rip-off artists who stand against us, and who always remind me of Tolkein's Orcs.

If you have suggestions for me to do better, I want to hear them. But beating back the enemy, teaching so many young people and others about liberty, that is our victory, and it is real and permanent. Won't you link arms with me? We will have more vote victories too, if we stick together and do not let the enemy divide us.

As you know, and as our neocon enemies try to cover up, we are in a financial crisis. It may chug along at this pace, slowly into recession, or it might drop off a cliff, like the dollar. In that case, we will have the only coherent solution, and we must get our message out.

All my life, I've been working to make sure that when the Fed had done its work, and the special interests had looted the system to their hearts' content, and there was a crisis, I would be in a position to speak the truth about why, and what to do about it. In this fight, I need your heart, your mind, your time, and your financial support.  I also need you to become a precinct leader . What a fight we are in. What stakes there are. Together, we can build a new America faithful to the values of the framers. Bother the enemy, help the good cause:  make your most generous contribution, and let's roll up our sleeves and get to work, together.



Not as clever as I think I am


Re: Ron Paul for President?

montalk wrote:

I think anyone who is clued into free energy, aliens, and 9/11 would be aware enough to not involve themselves in the mainstream political system. And if they tried they wouldn't get too far. Ron Paul is as fringe as one can get while still being mainstream. Nevertheless, within the mainstream political puppet show he is the only cast member advocating change. A vote for anyone else is a vote for the same old system.

Even if he loses, the number and fervor of his supporters suggests that the seed for accelerating civil disobedience has been planted and will grow rapidly over the coming years. There is a strong polarization and decentralization trend happening from the bottom up in counter-reaction to the totalitarian measures being implemented from the top down. Whether through a soft process that Ron Paul is advocating, or a sudden process brought on by a collapsing system, centralized authoritarianism may dissolve and force people to turn entirely toward local solutions and networking to get by.

I think Ron Paul could be VERY clued in to free energy and aliens and 9/11 but does not disclose it publicly through the media and fumbles around with it in public purposely...because the media would have limitless and much free-er reigns to instigate an instant avalanche on him...just my humble opinion/feeling. 

But  then again, maybe, just may-be, in these times that avalanche just might cave back in on the the second paragraph of your previous post expresses, Montalk....and of which I fully agree is "now" in the works and the house of cards is about ready to collapse.

In any my original post #42 from page 3 of this thread because I believe the un-threading of the whole veil is now taking place in real time, as we know it,  and is about to unravel in big chunks throughout this year...just a hunch : )

2007-07-27 02:44:43  #42

DanB   Member

The political structures in the U.S. and around the World are about to implode.

The lying, cheating, stealing and murdering ways and means will have
no ways and means without participants or an audience.

If Ron Paul survives the be it!
Within 2 or 3 years there will be no energy left in the process.

Creation is speeding up...exponentially soon.

Politics being the antithesis of creation will simply dissolve...
it is already well on the way.

The politicians that remain will be playing musical chairs
amongst themselves until ALL the chairs are gone...
and ALL the chairs will be gone and soon.

'Off Topic' but have been wanting to say this so I am saying it here : )

Hello and Thank You, Montalk...for this forum and Your writings...I am grateful to have found them and You and the Members here.

Re: Ron Paul for President?

For me, a lesson I have learned about religion, politics or just life in general is to not give into the saviour mindset. I consider myself a libertarian because I notice myself living that pattern of self government.  Ron Paul is more of an indicator or political thermometer. Nothing wrong that. Nothing wrong with following the 'events' and being excited by the wind of change in the air but lets not be lazy.

We save ourselves.

And we save ourselves by realising we are not lost. 
Dorothy wore those ruby slippers the whole time.

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Ron Paul? Seriously? The same Ron Paul who runs around with that racist, cryptofascist Lew Rockwell? That Ron Paul?

No thanks.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.


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Ron paul kicks puppies too I heard, seriously.

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I've heard he sacrifices virgins to Moloch!

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.


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Why don't you address your first comment, wheres the proof hes a racist?

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RP doesn't have a "snowballs chance."  sad 

I'm still trying to figure out how the "stimulus package" is going to help when whatever change you have in your pocket, gets eaten up by inflation.

At this point it seems that the "ship is going down" and no matter what dynasty gets elected we're all "going to go down together."

I'd start asking for volunteers for Prez. because who ever gets the job is in for one hell of a ride.

Let's see we have one more year and something before the election?  Hmmmm.  While people are arguing about whose racist, who's not/who's gender biased, and who's not...we won't be looking at the real culprits. Basic stupidity, anyone?

The questioning population managed to debunk all the "kaka" and it seemed RP was the reasonable man who spoke to the disillusioned and disinfranchised.

Now we are being told that he just pandered to the racist "rednecks" to raise money for his campaign making "racial remarks" ten or so years ago, that were really written by his friend and ghostwriter Lew.  Nevermind how the Repugs pandered to the evangelicals for their vote. OMG, I feel a soap-opera headache coming on.

We are now living in the new fear based society in which witch hunts will be the new "fun for the whole family" game.

Never mind the sins of the current government and the banking cartel.
Got Milk? is going to take on a brand new meaning.

I'm trying to think of a funny clown pick to upload. but the big clown and his big time friends that I saw on t.v. today looked freaking scared to death. Perhaps, you will turn on the tube tonight and see our Consumer In Thief and tell me if he inspired your confidence. 

I don't know about you, but clowns have always scared me.


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Can't really argue with any of that. Last one out the turn off the lights, please.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.