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#31 2004-09-16 18:22:11

SednaSphere
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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

I can believe it about the maids who couldn't get away and were dragged back. Another woman I read about had prepared to escape for two months by getting support on the internet. They found out, cancelled her plane flight, followed her to the airport. She had to stay on the phone the whole time to escape.


Britney Spears:
From the get-go, I never saw the big deal. She reminds me of the "snotty popular girls" in High School. Doesn't sing very well or even offer outre, daring outfits or ideas, a fashion sense, no: just tacky Vegas, tits and boobs, bad pop music, and robotic Musketeer dancing. Wow. How wonderful!
It's sad. And she is mega-, mega-, mega-rich for this, I mean the emptiness of it is the appeal of it, the misogynistic trashiness of it blatant. Trashy or campy can be fun in entertainment, when done tongue in cheek, but this has the weird seriousness of Disney. And so many parents brainwashed into seeing this f****d up teen as wholesome. They buy their 5 year olds her CDs. Why?

40 year old men write her lyrics, manage her career. What is the appeal of this robotoid sexuality? Give me Cher before the nose job and I'm happy.

One time I saw her on the tube meeting a fan, and she didn't know how to act, where to stand, how to shake hands. She said a few forced pleasantries to the poor fan, as if "I'm glad you like me but I've got better things to do," and then pivoted around and left the room, waving bye like a five-year-old playground bully to a smaller kid. ( This girl was not smaller)She is absolutely lacking in social skills, subtle cues, or anything even remotely interesting personality wise. There's nothing there. Not even sex appeal. Only the body is sexy. And that ain't sexy, in my book.

Others may not agree on this, but I think the programming has gotten much worse in the last twenty years. Pop music used to be fun and entertaining. Now it's like a "shoot em' up, kill em' first whore house."

It's sad, sad, sad !

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#32 2004-09-16 23:19:41

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

SednaSphere wrote:


One time I saw her on the tube meeting a fan, and she didn't know how to act, where to stand, how to shake hands. She said a few forced pleasantries to the poor fan, as if "I'm glad you like me but I've got better things to do," and then pivoted around and left the room, waving bye like a five-year-old playground bully to a smaller kid. ( This girl was not smaller)She is absolutely lacking in social skills, subtle cues, or anything even remotely interesting personality wise. There's nothing there. Not even sex appeal. Only the body is sexy. And that ain't sexy, in my book.

Others may not agree on this, but I think the programming has gotten much worse in the last twenty years. Pop music used to be fun and entertaining. Now it's like a "shoot em' up, kill em' first whore house."

It's sad, sad, sad ! 

I've read others with the same obversation you just mentioned, how she seems to be completely lacking in any sort of social skills and cannot function in an unscripted situation.     To cite a recent (crude) example of this, recently Britney was interviewed impromptu on the spot by some reporter outside some event, asking her some goofy random questions, one of which was "What was the last thing that was in your mouth?"   Britney giggled and said, "A dildo!" much to the shock of the interviewer who was speechless.    One of Britney's "handlers" who'd been hovering around on the sidelines grabbed her arm and yanked her away.

This is a 22 year old woman acting like a 12 year old ditz, and being yanked around and controlled by some mystery handler on the side.    Does she even have a say in her life?   No, doesn't seem like it.  It's disturbing, because like Sedna mentioned, sooooo many people idolize her, moms are buying her CD's for their little girls, and these same girls in turn are emulating her every move, every outfit....memorizing the lyrics to her music.    It's just bizarre.    Pop music stars nowadays are mini porn stars.  Everything is so hard and abrasive now, so in your face, like a gutted animal with everything spilled out all over.   No subtley AT all.    But this is the Illuminati agenda.  Destroy morality, destroy the family.   And the biggest avenue to accomplish this is through media and entertainment.   We watch movies and t.v. shows and listen to music, over and over again.   We program ourselves with it.   All they have to do is create it and then we give them our money for it, make them mega rich, and turn ourselves into their desired end result.

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#33 2004-09-17 10:29:28

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

SednaSphere wrote:



Others may not agree on this, but I think the programming has gotten much worse in the last twenty years. Pop music used to be fun and entertaining. Now it's like a "shoot em' up, kill em' first whore house."

It's sad, sad, sad ! 

Agreed!

lyra wrote:


I've read others with the same obversation you just mentioned, how she seems to be completely lacking in any sort of social skills and cannot function in an unscripted situation.     To cite a recent (crude) example of this, recently Britney was interviewed impromptu on the spot by some reporter outside some event, asking her some goofy random questions, one of which was "What was the last thing that was in your mouth?"   Britney giggled and said, "A dildo!" much to the shock of the interviewer who was speechless.    One of Britney's "handlers" who'd been hovering around on the sidelines grabbed her arm and yanked her away.

I would not be surprised if even that were a staged event as they are constantly having to raise the bar for the shock value effect. The line between porn and mass media is getting more blurred everyday. Same thing with violence. What will they come up with after live executions and kiddie porn on TV, as things are going it's not too far away. Can it ever reach a saturation point? What happens then?

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#34 2004-09-17 14:10:41

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

aaronfirebrand wrote:

Are all celebrities mind-controlled?

Considering we live in a STS world of manipulations and appearances, wouldn't it make sense that all those who are in "front of the scene" (as much as for spirituality and politics than for entertainement) are allowed and thus in a way "under control"? Would the media moguls "allow" those who are not 100% "safe"?

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#35 2004-09-17 22:05:21

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Stephen M: unfortunately you could be right about the dildo remark being staged for shock value. Perhaps even the wisking away is staged, not for the kiddie audience, but for the "quasi-porn" audience. Or, perhaps, some keyword trigger.

On the other hand she may have a subconscious need to rebel from this. She herself has said " I really don't understand what the big deal is about me. I'm basically retarded." This sounds like a troubled person to me. She knows that what she does is shallow, and she doesn't even like her own stuff, apparently.But the trouble stays firmly underground and unconscious, or it's over for her. It's much like grooming a dog in a Pavlovian way : give treats, abuse, withdraw treats, alternate "good dog" and "bad dog." When you see her talk to someone and really open up, she seems like a laid back Southern girl. I have somewhat of a problem with some aspects of the MPD phenomenon when it comes to most celebs, because taking on chamelionic rolls is part and parcel of the entertainment field. Here I see more, and I see more of it in general than ever.
Britney appears compliant except to the mores of basic decency, and is symbolic of many things, among them a doll that a man can use and abuse as he sees fit (fantasy: she's in good shape so could probably beat alot of them up, physically speaking!)

Anyhoo...I pray that things don't get any worse, like you said Stephen.

Ermolai: as far as those in the public eye goes, I think some of them are basically themselves, but they have to watch what they say and do. It'd be suicidal to say certain things in public these days. Another possibility is that some celebreties are
doubles or robotoid copies, and the real person is dead. Yuck! Witness Jean Seberg, an actress who however went too far in what she said, she could have been one of us, and she was murdered. They called it a suicide. Those they don't copy.

But that was back in the sixties, things could be a even more of a facade now. Perhaps I just don't want to see the truth. But for the longest time it has seemed to me that celebrities are just people or just op's or whatever, like the rest of the population, and if someone gets out of line they just kill him or her. Like Cobain, maybe?

Some musings.

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#36 2004-09-17 22:19:56

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

SednaSphere wrote:

It'd be suicidal to say certain things in public these days. Another possibility is that some celebreties are
doubles or robotoid copies, and the real person is dead. Yuck! Witness Jean Seberg, an actress who however went too far in what she said, she could have been one of us, and she was murdered. They called it a suicide. Those they don't copy.

But that was back in the sixties, things could be a even more of a facade now. Perhaps I just don't want to see the truth. But for the longest time it has seemed to me that celebrities are just people or just op's or whatever, like the rest of the popultion, and if someone gets out of line they just kill him or her. Like Cobain, maybe?

Some musings.

Well here's a weird synch, Sedna:  Last night we rented the original "Stepford Wives" from 1974 because we'd never seen it before and it was on our "to watch" list.  As everybody knows, this is a movie about wives being replaced by perfect robotoids.  In the special features section they had interviews with the director and the lead actresses / actors.   Well, the director mentioned that for the lead role he originally envisioned Jean Seberg, an actress I'd never heard of, and said that not too long after he had considered her she wound up committing suicide, so it wasn't meant to be.   Then I get on here and see you mentioning robotoids and Jean Seberg within the same paragraph.......!      Like I said, until last night I'd never heard of her, now I've come across her name twice within 24 hours.   Very weird.


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#37 2004-09-17 23:34:02

Stephen M
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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

SednaSphere wrote:




Britney appears compliant except to the mores of basic decency, and is symbolic of many things, among them a doll that a man can use and abuse as he sees fit (fantasy: she's in good shape so could probably beat alot of them up, physically speaking!)

Yes, I really feel sorry for her. I have a feeling about her that she may not age well and may not be allowed to grow old in the public eye. Much more useful to them as an innocent pubscent than a strong woman and is she does get wise and starts to shoot her mouth off, well... sacrafice time. I hope this is not true.

SednaSphere wrote:



Anyhoo...I pray that things don't get any worse, like you said Stephen.

Well it took a little while to go from Elvis' wigglin' hips to Christine Aguleira's genitals in your face and lesbian smooches but the progression of everything else is speeding up so.

SednaSphere wrote:


Ermolai: as far as those in the public eye goes, I think some of them are basically themselves, but they have to watch what they say and do. It'd be suicidal to say certain things in public these days. Another possibility is that some celebreties are
doubles or robotoid copies, and the real person is dead. Yuck! Witness Jean Seberg, an actress who however went too far in what she said, she could have been one of us, and she was murdered. They called it a suicide. Those they don't copy.

But that was back in the sixties, things could be a even more of a facade now. Perhaps I just don't want to see the truth. But for the longest time it has seemed to me that celebrities are just people or just op's or whatever, like the rest of the popultion, and if someone gets out of line they just kill him or her. Like Cobain, maybe?

How about the whole 'Paul is dead' thing, not to mention Lennon. Cobain, definitely. I'm also wondering about David Bowie, who was one of my early heroes. I did manage to catch him on his last tour before it was cancelled due to illness (possible funny business, I don't know). Technically, the show was great however I found myself deeply diapointed that he said or did nothing to raise the consciuossness of the audience. I know by his writing that he is at least aware of things and at that point , to me, comes the responsibility to act in some way. His failure to do so makes me suspicious of him. Could be a lot of things though.

I think about this stuff a lot as I am a musician/songwriter and some of my songs have a bit to say about things and the whole music industry is such a den of ugly creatures.

Stephen

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#38 2004-09-18 04:17:17

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Wow, Lyra, that is an incredible sync. I have an article from a website I'll get later and post. It's particulary chilling that the movie was the Stepford Wives.

Stephen, since you're in the music biz, you ought to know! (about some things that go on.) Not for gossip's sake, not naming names, it would be interesting to hear more about it and any other connections to this phenomenon you can come up with.

Too bad about Bowie. Maybe he was tired or something? Because when I've watched him he's either raised consciousness or questioned things in an enlightening way.

Is it just me, or is there a particularly loud series of bubble-burstings and bitter truths lately? Or am I just responding in a Pavlovian manner to business-as-usual?

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#39 2004-09-19 11:54:37

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Dear Friends
kind regards
I have always believed that there is something extremely wrong with Britney Spears.
She burst onto the scene targeting a youth market with her songs and then gradually evolved to sing songs of a different nature.
She professed to be a Christian yet nearly everything she says and does contradicts Christian doctrine.
Spears is just oe of those celebrities that seems genuinely messed up in the head.
She doesn't qualify as a role model for kids at all.
Michael Jackson has never appeared fully sane to me.
Perhaps these kinds of celebrities really are Illuminati brainwashed puppets but who knows.
yours thankfully
John

 

#40 2004-09-22 10:24:37

Stephen M
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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

SednaSphere wrote:

Stephen, since you're in the music biz, you ought to know! (about some things that go on.) Not for gossip's sake, not naming names, it would be interesting to hear more about it and any other connections to this phenomenon you can come up with.

I cannot say that I've had for sure that I've had direct experience with anyone that was under the influence of mind control. I've met and know some that could be considered famous and are crazy or odd in their own way but that kinda goes with the territory, so unless you are very close, it would be hard to tell. Though most of it seems to occur in the upper echelons of the business (which I haven't dealt with much) where celebrities can influence the public, there also seems to be another level where people are used as pawns in the game.

Here's a couple of experiences:

I played in a band that had a booking agent that was somewhat of a shady character who I suspect of being a player at some level. The circuit that we played consisted of a lot of military bases, some nightclubs, and some work in Las Vegas. He also managed some mid level country acts and owned much of a small town in Arkansas. In his office he had a red phone that he claimed was a direct line to the whitehouse and in general seemed to possess a lot of money and power that was not explained by what he did on the cover.
He once offered a very lucrative job to a member the band which consisted of paying housecalls to people who owed him money. The band member was a black man who could produce a very convincing and scary scowl on his face (in actuallity he was a pretty nice guy)which the agent admired. The job consisted of constantly being on call to to make these visits to collect money in which he might be required to fly anywhere in the country perhaps once a week or so. When he turned down the job, out of nowhere the agent's very veloptuous wife began making all kinds of advances towards him. We later viewed this as a tactic to get him further entangled into their web, perhaps setting up a situation where they would have been caught and then he would have been indebted. I'm reminded of Cathy O'briens story (Trance-formation of America) and of one of her handlers being involved in country music and the same type of artists as this guy dealt with.

I also had a friend who played with a well known major label soul/funk act that frequently toured Europe. They carried with them a huge backline of fake Marshall amplifiers that were dummies and produced no sound, just for looks he thought until he noticed some of the road crew filling them up with many bags of white powder just in time for the flight home. He was a friend that warned me of illuminati type influences in the music business and elsewhere, I thought he was paranoid at the time. He died of a severe lung infection and told me before he died he thought someone had infected him purposely. I thought he was delerious but knowing what I do now, I wonder.


SednaSphere wrote:


Too bad about Bowie. Maybe he was tired or something? Because when I've watched him he's either raised consciousness or questioned things in an enlightening way.

Yes, he has actually taken his name, image, music, lyrics and made it into a publicly traded corporation that you can buy stock in if you wish. -One of the first 'Rock Stars' to do so.


SednaSphere wrote:


Is it just me, or is there a particularly loud series of bubble-burstings and bitter truths lately? Or am I just responding in a Pavlovian manner to business-as-usual?

Sometimes I think it's more fun to be ignorant. What's next, Mickey Mouse turning out to be the devil? Oh yeah, we already covered that.

Stephen

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#41 2004-09-22 10:44:25

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We have even more obvious examples; Cat Stevens a.k.a. Yusuf Islam. This is absolutely different kind of mind control I guess.
By the way, I just read the following on the net today. Wow! They never wrote their plan so clearly:


"Passenger Cat Stevens Gets Plane Diverted

A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine when it was discovered that passenger Yusuf Islam formerly known as singer Cat Stevens was on a government watch list and barred from entering the country.

Homeland Security Department spokesman Dennis Murphy identified the passenger as Islam. "He was interviewed and denied admission to the United States on national security grounds," Murphy said.

***He said Islam would be put on the first available flight out of the country Wednesday***"


And a brief biography of Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam:

"Islam, who was born Stephen Georgiou, took Cat Stevens as a stage name and had a string of hits in the 1960s and '70s, including "Wild World" and "Morning Has Broken."

He abandoned his music career in the late 1970s and changed his name after being persuaded by orthodox Muslim teachers that his lifestyle was forbidden by Islamic law. He later became a teacher and an advocate for his religion, founding a Muslim school in London in 1983."


*** oh wait, they are talking about Yusuf Islam smile
coincidence!


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#42 2005-03-23 00:13:16

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

Blackmail is possibly a factor in celebrity involvement in Scientology.

During Scientology counseling sessions (auditing) detailed records are kept of what the client says.  It has been documented numerous times that "church" management authorized going through these folders to find dirt that could be used to blackmail current or former members.


Xenopope wrote:

I always wondered why M. Keenan (my favorite singer) discredits L Ron Hubbard so passionately in his song 'Aenima' -

" . . . F&@% L.Ron Hubbard and F&@% all his clones . . . "

I was a staff member with scientology from 1976-79.  After the experience I realized that I was a Scientology robot for much of that time.  A few comments on how that is accomplished -

As a staff member, we were required to have daily study time in which we read Hubbard's policy letters and listened to his tapes.  You didn't just casually read the stuff.  You were quizzed on it, required to do drills, required to look up any word you did not understand. 

Staff members were only allowed to make decisions based explicitly on Hubbard's policies.  Deviation was not allowed.  Those who continued to deviate were punished sometimes required to do extra work and write up a confessional.  Persistent cases sometimes resulted in being put in a demeaning group the rehabilitation project force.

Previously learned values and education were demeaned if they conflicted with Hubbard quotations in his policy letters.

I was in a hard-core group (Sea organization).  The stringent obedience standards did not apply equally to all scientology groups.

Hubbard had studied hypnosis and brainwashing techniques.

As far as the auditing, from my experience, if it is done well it can result in a lot of insights on one's life and produce feelings of bliss or an emotional high can be kind of addicting.


Maybe this isnt the right thread to go into too much detail, but heres an outline of my activities as a scientology staff member.

I worked at the scientology Hollywood complex for 3 years in the 1970s, which occupies more than a full city block.  It was previously a large hospital.  I was there during the period of purchasing, renovating and moving into the facilities. 

Free room and board for staff members (substandard dorms mostly in those years, food sometimes was good but occasionally a subsistence type diet beans, rice, powdered milk).

My initial pay as a trainee staff member was $5 per week for part-time work and part-time study.  My pay was increased to $17 per week by the time I left 3 years later.  For comparison, Hubbard was charging the public $50-$100 per hour for counseling sessions at his "churches" during that period.

Hubbards church was legally allowed to pay people only $5 per week by registering the Sea organization as a religious order, not a business.  He was able to obtain a religious tax exemption from the IRS. 

The work schedule was typically 6 days a week.  No holidays. 

Members were allowed one full day off per week IF your personal production statistics were up and the church group you belonged to also had its stats up. (half day off per week if your production stats were not up)

I did a lot of cleaning and building renovations.  Why pay union wages when you can get slaves to do your work for pennies?

After the basic training phase I worked in their day care facility taking care of children of other church members. 

I do not know if their current procedures are similar to what I experienced.

There have been many efforts to use variations of Hubbard's procedures.  For example, Stephanie Relfe, in deprogramming her husband Michael from government and alien mind control, used variations of dianetics and scientology auditing techniques.  She uses a variation of the scientology e-meter (a sophisticated lie detector).  Explained in The Mars Records
[url= http://www.themarsrecords.com/[/url]Two well researched books on Hubbard and his church/business:

Bare-Faced Messiah,  Russell Miller
A Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atack

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#43 2005-06-22 18:20:34

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Generally, foxnews.com is not one of my favored news sources, but I saw this headline and decided to read the article.  It's fine with me if Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes want to suddenly fall in love and decide to get married - if that is a free choice that each of them is making - but there is a possibility that something more nefarious may be happening in this case.

If this article is accurate, then Katie Holmes made major changes in her life in a brief period of time.


Katie Holmes' Missing Days 
Tuesday, June 21, 2005
By Roger Friedman


The newly engaged Katie Holmes still has some explaining to do to her friends and family.

There were 16 days in April during which no one seems to know where she was.

Holmes made a public appearance on April 4 at the premiere of "Steel Magnolias" on Broadway.

She came with her publicist, Leslie Sloane Zelnick, and a couple of other friends. They were there to support Rebecca Gayheart, who was making her Broadway debut.

I know this because I spoke to Holmes at length during the play's intermission. She said she had just moved into her New York apartment and was looking forward to seeing the city.

I also know that on April 4, she had not yet made the acquaintance of Tom Cruise. She briefly dated Josh Hartnett after breaking up with actor Chris Klein.

Hartnett, Klein, Cruise: Which of these three is not like the others?

Klein and Hartnett are young and tall. Cruise is middle-aged and height-challenged.

On the other hand, he's the biggest movie star in the world. They are not.

Holmes was busy during that first week in April. On April 7, she was photographed at the Fragrance Foundation's FiFi event.

Four days later, Holmes was still in New York and was photographed at VH1's "Save the Music" concert. She still had not met Cruise.

Sometime that week, her friends say, she flew to Los Angeles for a meeting with Cruise about a role in "Mission: Impossible 3." The meeting took place after April 11.

The next time anyone heard from Holmes was on April 27, when she appeared in public as Cruise's girlfriend and love of his life.

Where was she during those 16 days?

Somewhere during that time, she decided to fire both her manager and agent, each of whom she had been with for years and who were devoted to her.

The manager, John Carrabino, also handles Rene Zellweger and is beloved by his clients.

Holmes also acquired a new best friend, Jessica Feshbach, the daughter of Joe Feshbach, a controversial Palo Alto, Calif., bond trader.

The Feshbach family, according to published documents, has donated millions to the Church of Scientology. Jessica's aunt even runs a Scientology center in Florida.

According to Richard Behar's now famous 1991 story in Time magazine about Scientology, the Feshbachs were the subject of congressional hearings in 1989.

Behar wrote: "The heads of several companies claimed that Feshbach operatives have spread false information to government agencies and posed in various guises such as a Securities and Exchange Commission official in an effort to discredit the companies and drive the stocks down.

"Michael Russell, who ran a chain of business journals, testified that a Feshbach employee called his bankers and interfered with his loans. Sometimes the Feshbachs send private detectives to dig up dirt on firms, which is then shared with business reporters, brokers and fund managers."

The risk-taking Feshbachs, known the world over for making their fortune "shorting" stocks, and the level-headed, conservative Holmeses would be a difficult mix at a dinner table.

Katie's father, Martin Holmes, is the senior partner in a large and respected Toledo, Ohio, law firm. His son, Martin Jr., has recently joined the firm. He's a Harvard graduate. Katie's mom, Kathy, is frequently cited in Toledo for her charity work.

There is some fear among Holmes' close circle that her instant romance with Cruise is not as organic as portrayed.

For one thing, Holmes was raised a strict Catholic. Also, gone from the picture are two close Holmes friends who used to be with her when she did publicity for a film.

One of these is Meghann Birie, a childhood friend who has suddenly disappeared from Holmes' world. Another, a local TV producer here in New York, was too afraid to discuss the situation with me.

We know that Cruise auditioned several actresses for this role before settling on Holmes. This column reported a story about Jennifer Garner. There have been published stories about Kate Bosworth, Lindsay Lohan and Jessica Alba being approached.

A newer one involves Scarlett Johansson, who ran for her life when presented with a fait accompli dinner at the Scientology Celebrity Centre in Hollywood.

And history has been rewritten since the April 27 unveiling.

Curiously, since the Cruise-Holmes situation popped up, we have heard over and over again that Cruise was the young actress' idol when she was growing up.

That's certainly interesting because all of the publicity that used to run on Holmes still found all over the Internet lists another Tom as her favorite actor.

That would be Tom Hanks.

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#44 2005-06-22 20:14:53

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

wandering1 wrote:

Generally, foxnews.com is not one of my favored news sources, but I saw this headline and decided to read the article.  It's fine with me if Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes want to suddenly fall in love and decide to get married - if that is a free choice that each of them is making - but there is a possibility that something more nefarious may be happening in this case.

Ooooooooh.....I admit it.............I have just been devouring the "TomKat" story, I mean, I can't get enough of it, seriously.  !  I joked about it over on another thread, how it was all over the news in lieu of real news of actual substance, but at the same time, I can't tear myself away.  Why?  Because:  Tom Cruise acting out of character - jumping on Oprah's couch;  Then reading that Katie was "very interested" in Scientology and was thinking of converting....the first thing I thought was "MIND CONTROL!!!  WOOHOO!  YEAH!!  CAN IT BE MORE OBVIOUS!"   big_smile   I wanted to post something about it but I was afraid "what people would think."   But since you went ahead and did the honors wandering1, I am now free to admit my fascination with this story!   And I do not care if I am labeled shallow for it!   haha  It's food for the Proles, and I devour it up.  It's terrible, I tell you.   hehe

Another detail which isn't in the article is the way KH is now flanked by Tom's sis and other Scientology puppetheads wherever she goes.   In many of the pics you'll see Katie....and Tom's sis.  As if the sister is "hovering", always right there, to speak on Katie's behalf or else confer with her before she speaks.  Tom Cruise recently fired his longtime publicist of 14 years - over Scientology - and hired the sis as the replacement.  And so what we're seeing now is the "New Tom Cruise", who is now "allowed" to talk freely....and abundantly....about Scientology, to the point of coming across like a maniacal programmed robot gone awry, due to the change in publicity agents. 

Then there's what Katie and Tom have to say about each other.   If anybody has been following this, you'll know what I'm talking about.   The enthusiastic scripted sounding responses which smack of programming commands.   It's like they were both sat in a darkened room, in a drugged state with headphones on their ears that hypnotically told them, over and over, "Something magnificent has happened!"  "She is an amazing woman!"  "He is magnificent!"   Over and over and over...because that's what we keep hearing them say....over and over and over.   People have joked that they need to "get a thesaurus."   But I think people are missing the blatent signs of programming commands. 

Tom Cruise believes that people are "interested" and "fascinated" with Scientology, but I think if anything, this whole debacle will serve to turn the public away from it, casting it in a very suspicious, negative light.   

Anyway, this entire story is just nuts, and endlessly fascinating as well.  I feel like we're literally watching mind control in action, watching celebrities having a programming melt down.  I'm just left wondering "What in the hell did 'they' DO to these two people?!?!?"

{And I know, I know, I already KNOW that somebody is going to come on here, sounding cautiously naive, saying "Well, maybe they really are in love.  Maybe it's two people who have found each other and it clicked, maybe we just are cynical and pessimistic, I wish them the best...."  or whatever nonsense.    Let me tell you now...I don't buy it.    This whole thing is just too bizarre.  Look at all the facts combined together.   It's weirdness.   Knowing what Scientology is all about, and seeing it as the underlying fabric of this story, you have to put two and two together.  Or at least consider it as a strong possibility of what may be really going on here.}

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#45 2005-06-22 21:12:55

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Re: Mind Controlled Celebrities

Can't help but agree that at the very least it's strange. My personal experiences with Scientology, against my will and interest, would tend to corroborate.

Holmes seems like a very good candidate for the kind of control they do.
It starts out subtly, then they move in fast after that. She may have been in a dazzled daze already when meeting Cruise. Then the handlers move in. The implication by them initially may have been to the effect that one does not "turn down" a mega-star like Cruise. Then it's implied you can't be as
fabulous as Cruise is (for me, no longer, as all this gaga stuff is a big turnoff and he used to be all about the charisma) without being a Scientologist. I know that the vibe they gave to me (I talked about it in another thread, and these were not big wigs) was, first, that your not a good person if you don't fall in line and get audited. Next, you'll get sick(the fear technique) if you don't do it. (With life-threatening illness.)

In her case, she would have had to have a more fully formed personality and incredible strength of character to have seen past the mesmerism. She's already a celeb in a celeb world. This elevates her to "celebrity royalty" status, and , in Cruise's world, apparently, the price for that "priviledge" is being into Scientology and blathering to the world about how "wonderful" you are.

Uk. Yuck. How sad it all is.

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