Hitler as Messiah and Prophet...Jews spinning the Truth (Page 3 of 5)

druid wrote:

Anybody can say anthing is fact and find evidence to support their belief systems, druid. I think I have to go on my gut feeling with this one, and that is that there have been too many survivors of WWII to say that it was just made up, there are also personal written accounts.
Even if, say, the "ovens" where made up as a propagandist way to start a zionist separatist state, what about all of the other research on Hitler and the SS. We know that they tortured and degraded people. We know that they did medical "research" on people for instance trying to graft animal parts and so forth onto living human beings. We know that they stole millions of dollars of private property and estates and art and so forth from German citizens who were Jews. We know a lot about the climate that preceded WWII and what went on in Europe from people who lived to tell it and saw it. How do you explain that? With mass hypnosis?
The psychologist Karl Jung met Hitler and described him as a "psychic scarecrow" meaning he was empty, which to me means he was being used. I am sure that many American business and government people covertly colluded with the nazi agenda, but all that that means to me is that the victims of the holocost were sold out on both sides.
I would look more at the way that history is being revised to erase the memory of WWII and to make it seem like people who bring it up are a bunch of whining malcontents. That, to me, is where the real mind control comes into play.
Every ethnic group and group mind is going to struggle for survival and then eventually dominance as protection from future vulnerability. That is part of tribal consciousness and part of the human condition at this point before things shift, if indeed they ever do shift.
From other things that you and others have written on this forum, the old testament being Yahwe is a fourth dimensional being that has assisted humankind in fighting off the Luciferian and Ahrimanic agendas as put forth by Anthroposophy. So it would make sense from a mystical point of view, that Hitler, a seeming Luciferian puppet would be in direct conflict with Yahweists (or whatever they are called), people from that particular group-mind set, which would be Semitic-Hebrews. I do believe in a lot of the conspiracy theory stuff that people put forth, but I don't go for this particular one. All people, all cultures have both good and evil manifesting in their governments and populations. Sure mosad and all of that are probably just as bad now as any other covert government group, but that doesn't, to me, mean that the whole reason for WWII was a hoax to put people like that in power, I think it was a natural evolution for any state-run country. The world is dominated by greed and materialism now and there is no group that is exempt from its effects-lala

So many million survivors... then who died?

There is no proof they gave orders to kill Jews and use gas chambers.  The ovens are real, but they are so small that we can only believe that a few hundreds could have been burned in there. there is nothing in reality that supports the Hollywood fantasies of Spielberg and Jewish lobby.

which countries didn't? If we compare: Russia, USA, Britain and Giants compared to Germany... in term of cruelty and mass killings. The gas chamber story is same as 'weapons of mass destruction': 'weapons of mass deception'.

Histoery is warped and rewritten, stalinised. Most if this was written to corroborate the first lies and make them believable.

Many errors here:
first, Jews today are 90% Ashkenazis (Khazars), less than 9% are semitic.
also, anthroposophy tells that the ahrimanic being Ahasuerus has taken hold of all Jews after the incarnation of Christ. Christ blames them for many sins. they were already decadent then and they are even more today, like most religions.
there is a deep relation bewteen the retarded time-spirit of American people and the ahrimanic being of Ahasuerus (Wandering Jew). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiMar25JuX8
This being Ahasureus represent sthe most vile human being who laughted at Jesus suffering on the cross (cruelty and so on). God was made man in Christ and man made himself a pretention of god in Ahasureus. He was punished by becoming immortal and obliged to wander around the world (metaphor for the diaspora). Ahasuerus kept Jews in farms, interbreeding within themselves ; yet Jews should have become universal and mix with all humanity. but they chose chauvinistic nationalism in zionism, which is a deep spiritual sickness. Legendary beings like Herodias, Queeen Jezabel, and Kundry are different manifestation of this ugly being. Zionism is a disease of the soul, as mentionned by Steiner himself : http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:SpN … en|lang_fr

Here is a respectable anthroposophist who questions the holocaust, and expresses his disbelief crudely and bluntly:
(BTW, he was thrown away from his function of Director of the rusian branch of anthroposophical society.
Gennady Bondarev :
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:qlY … en|lang_fr

All the good for U

I say, see my post above.  It raises a good question/point.

I can't even believe that I am having this argument, only 100,000-gee, OK I guess that that makes it better. Even one person is one person too many, just like the war in Iraq. The fact that people were starved in labor camps would be considered an atrocity by most people. Also, whether or not Jews are technically Semitic or not, my point was that that particular group-mind, ethnic memeory cluster would be in conflict with the nazi agenda on the spiritual front.
All religions are degraded at this point, as far as I can tell, and are also being controlled by hyper-dimensional forces that feed off of the degraded enslaved energy, you won't get any criticism from me on that point. But the degradation and taking of life is wrong, that is my point, and I think that people's basic mind/heart/soul connection is being manipulated if they are saying that people got what they deserved because they were part of a fallen religious continnuum.
The numbers may not add up, but I think that there is enough evidence, as Lyra is pointing out in her posts, that a terrible atrocities were committed in WWII, and that there are enough people still alive to attest to that fact. A fact is something that leaves no possibility for doubt of its existence. The stats might not be fact, but the situation and conditions of WWII are fact.
To use Jews or any other ethnic or socio-economic group as a scapegoat for the destructive designs of the elite materialist hierarchy is, in my opinion, a mistake and plays right into the hands of TPTB in terms of turning people against each other, rather than giving them a common denominator to work toward overcoming: namely greedy, manipulative, slavers who want to degrade and control the entire earth and everything on it. Sure people are open relays for all of the bullshit, people are mostly unconscious and striving to become even more that way because they are encouraged by the meida/consumer elite to be that way.-lala

lala, noone is claiming what the Nazis did, be it 100,000 or 6 million is "OK" as you say. Who here ever claimed it was "OK" to kill a hundred thousand people?

Youre obviously quite sanctimoniously jumping on the very usual anti-war crusade. It's so damn typical...

The argument is this: The Jews have misrepresented the truth of what happened, using it as a way to deflect power back to themselves.

The injustice of war is a completely different topic. If youd like, please start a thread on the atrocity and injustice of war and killing..youll get no argument from me on that one

oavada wrote:

This is the second time that you have tried to sterotype me in some nasty, degrading fashion. What likes would those be? Don't ever cast another sneering aspersion toward me again!!-lala

Actually thank you for this thread Oavada!
It was really open minded and full of different opinions.
But I noticed something very interesting.
Because I live in Europe and my knowledge of 1940-1945 comes from people who lived it, I could really feel the difference between an intellectual argument coming from internet sources and a "real" one coming from people who lived it.
It was really shocking for me to hear people talking intellectually about Nazi policy when I think about all my family members who suffered more in five years of Nazi occupation than in 90 years of life (and God knows the thirties weren't easy).

That means my "knowledge" of this matrix and NWO things is probably far from reality, because it comes most from internet.

I guess I have to put a little water in my wine