here u go lilmomma. i have been wanting to say much on this, actually, as it crosses many threads. including the LOTR, archetypes, (was that a real thread? or?), remembering, identity, and that ever so totally interesting remark of the C's---YOU ARE UR DESTINY. U BE UR DESTINY. and that's the WAY OUT. the way OUT is from within. from remembering, and then being. all is progression, learning, from cycles of being (ness), from lives lived and the learning they provide. u know the earthlife is big on archetypes, from systems. as ROLES are played out. practice, practice, practice. that is the "hero's journey" and it came from here--"described best by Dr. Carol Pearson in her book The Hero Within (San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1986). Pearson says everyone must experience all these archetypal roles in the process of personal integration and in the process of a given lifetime, provided we live long enough, and that it’s easier than ever before for both men and women to experience all of these roles because in our culture and in our time frame it is easier than ever before...accomplishing, performing actions, expressing creativity, problem solving, etc."
Oedipus -- Roles of the Hero’s Journey http://www.new-wisdom.org/Lectures/Part … ece/10608a
"The first role we play is that of the Innocent. It is the task of the Innocent to fall.
And so the Innocent becomes the Orphan. It is the task of the Orphan to recognize separation.
The Orphan then becomes the Wanderer. It’s the task of the Wanderer to seek for answers, to journey.
As the journey unfolds, is traveled, he/she becomes a Warrior. It is the task of the Warrior to learn the right use of power. The role of Martyr often comes next. ... many females have played the role of martyr, but now it includes males more than before in history. Before , that role was generally played out by the females. It is the task of the Martyr to learn unconditional love. Men have traditionally been aggressive and action oriented; women have been more passive, receptive. Men in the past few decades have learned that it doesn’t hurt them to be more sensitive to feelings, and that they can be nurturing, loving, and giving, just as women can. So women can be Warriors, and men can be Martyrs/Lovers.
The final role in the hero’s journey is that of Magician. It’s a role that has been played by only a few before our time, and that’s because it is the task of the Magician to understand experience, and that means the wholeness of experience, and that means without judgment. But because more and more people are now playing all the other roles and learning the lessons and the tasks of those roles, it is now possible for almost anyone to reach this stage. The Magician is able to look at the world and say: "This is good. This is beautiful. There is nothing here that can harm me." But he does this from a perspective of experience rather than from a perspective of innocence. This is because he has had all the possible experiences, survived them, and knows that under all the illusions of life there is really nothing to fear.
Pearson says we all play many of these roles every day, depending on our interpersonal relationships and the needs of the moment."
there r a ton of implications here. we have done alot on these topics all thru many threads. this even gets into the feminine energies coming back, the goddess returning, the "mother" energy, reclaiming earth so to speak. the changing focus of earth possibly vibing up and throwing off the old consciousness of war, murder, death, etc. the C's say this inadvertently. we r portals too, the lives lived then, accomplish recapitulation thru these roles, and then we are the sum of all our parts. having played these roles. having felt the FEELINGS of these roles. many times, sometimes stuck in some, repetitively. till lessons r learned and we can then move on from the 'game' of that particular set-up, it being no longer useful, or efficient to our soul progression.
i love the idea of them because theyre LITERARY descriptions of sets of feelings, and circumstances. they describe, they explain. theyre categorical, and illustrate many goings on here on earth. theyre recognition tags, so one could say then, tags are bad, but i see them as neutral, its the attachment ppl put to such descriptions. and theyre ancient, they describe what humans have been doing and thinking, and how theyve been behaving for eons. i have lived these roles many a time, have grown thru living them, have gained awareness. even knowing such roles exist is an EXAMPLE of AWARENESS. what this earth life has been all about. i love literature, its so wonderful. all this comes from literature, the classics, the psychology of the human psyche, the game from/of earth. what a story, what a journey this has been. and this seques into something i ran across the other day--one then LIVES all this and then chooses, recaps thru it, and picks sort of, chooses the "permanent personality" from/of it all. i loved that when i read it. going to do more work on that. i know from all the other lives ive endured, lived, this personality is my favorite one, it fits with all ive felt and known. ive said this before. it all sums up in this one, because it made me finalize my service cycle, and WTF im doin here. and funny how that worked, its the last one (it goddam better be) and im goin out on this one, as the world does, along with her, in this big last shift. see, i believe that, so it will be so, one way or the other. and i say this happily, because its a culmination point, it synchronizes with the whole BIG DEAL, the PLAN. and i musta planned it that way, this last lifetime as "me" "here" --thats how that worked and i wanted it that way. so i made myself LOOK like i did when i first started the journey here, so i can and do go OUT the way i remember i came IN. all those pastlives summate and have been recapped==recapitulated in this one. i felt instantly better when i peeled more onion layers, welcomed them, and rebuilt myself, again, so i go out looking and FEELING and remembering that i came in as a crone. i was a real crone, i remember it. im an old crone now and im happier than ever. it all FITS NOW. every time i look in the mirror, i smile, i remember. i feel good about it. because its final acceptance. its the package deal all wrapped up. i was tired all the time of searching and searching for the 'right' hairdo, body size, coloring of the skin, wanting to portray myself as I FELT. i never looked like anybody else. couldnt, didnt work. never felt right copying anything, even a corporate look. i had to be me in full regalia. so i then added stuff--things, accoutrements over the years, and i remembered from pastlives what i used to look like, living MANY ROLES at different times. had to play a role in the corporate world, where ur forced to look a certain way, for all the sickening and obvious reasons. always used to be in trouble there. even had ppl in board meetings stop talking,stare at me, and the way i looked, mainly disapproving of my hair. hating it/me. forget about performance. they just want the 'look'. didnt match up with the ROLE altho god knows, i tried. i really did, to try and look 'straight' even tho that took hours of preparation to stay or keep toned DOWN. they (TPTB--for real) had a complete fit that i didnt squeeze myself into THEIR ROLE. the role of the Director/Chief Executive of Nursing. nope, i never looked like a drone ass-whipped wimp who cringed at the swing of their company hammer. didnt look like the 'book' said. but i KNEW MY SHIT REAL GOOD and that really pissed 'em off, bad. i was ME first and was crucified for it repeatedly. written up for it, "counseled" on it year after year, by several institutions. the inquisition, over and over again, for being real and not bowing down to the whims of inanity, incompetence, corruption. they attempted (i say attempted!) to beat me into it. they never succeeded. they did everything to me to make me submit, to force me to comply with the notions of their ROLE. they failed. and i walked away from that world, after trying so many many times to comply, cooperate, relinquish, compromise. and after being raised in that POW camp, there was no way i'd be tortured into it. already been thru that, and won by coming out alive. training that came in handy. the next step was to walk away, run away from "it." entirely separate from a well-earned 'career' and just not play. and became free. ceased the doubting, the self-inflicted pain. the insidious never-ending game of allowing oneself to buy into it, and doubt ONESELF. an awful awful game. and thats a big one here, on this plane, in this realm. dont do it, dont allow it.
completely left them and that world, that sickening LABEL/ROLE that for so many years where i was what i did for a living. gave all that up--and happily so. never ever fit the label. florence nightingale -- nancy drew shit. dont make me puke. had a helluva time living that up and down. no looking back now. on the road to freedom. from that service cycle, from the corporate world, from that LABEL. finally honored the REAL ME as it sees itself. AND WAS FREED. no more false agreements and pseudo compromises to fit a role in the matrix. always in trouble for raging against the machine. there's that martyr role. very tiring. always in warrior mode tho, fighting, standing, taking a STAND vs injustice, malfeasance. its in the blood, the consciousness of that. started out as an innocent. couldnt stand the lies, went wild trying to change/fix/save that world, stamp out the evil status quo. things went bad many times, and realized i had become an orphan. separated from an identity. freed self from their labels and tags. found comfort in the definitions. realized things. analyzing, diagnosing, trying to figure things out, watching, and observing. wondering about the hard times of childhood too, growing up in a dysfunctional family, all the pain, all the hurt of being so different from the sheeple, but loving that and believing in self anyway. any goddam way, despite being so bizarre comparatively, from the sleepers. having great faith in that difference, the opposition. yet, wondering, and searching...searching for self-love, self-acceptance. i can be harder on me, than any agency, any other person, any matrix of pain. any patriarchal good ole boy society. they can do nothing to me, compared what i can do to myself. oh yeah. what i actually did to ME overrides any game they got. that self-deprecation. so one CANNOT lie to oneself. u are who and what u are. u can label urself, do anything u want to urself. but caution when ur something ur NOT. forced on u by someone or something else. that is the lie of labeling, of accepting a tag, or a label PUT ON YOU. that is to be REJECTED. i'll do it to me, but THEY WONT. i can hurt me way way more horribly than they can. its a matter of how to wield that power, once you've claimed it back. have got it. pity and mercy to the unaware PTB masses, in their stinkin board rooms across the land. sucking the public dry, plotting and planning how to cheat all the insurance companies, overcharge you for ur surgery, hospital stay, rip off the unsuspecting ill ppl who trust the medical industry. pure evil.
its ok, even tho im sure some ppl laugh at me. oh well. boo-hoo. they havent lived my LIFE. let 'em be freaked or taken back by it. altho trying to shock everybody, make a statement about it gets/got old. that in itself, has been the most tiring. but i gotta say what i think/believe/BE. that feeling is so strong. no fear or doubt in/with that. it began with the dreads. i was happiest then, when i did that, and the rest unfurled. and it came full circle. when i got those dreads, i kept looking in the mirror and remembering the ARCHETYPAL PAST. real history. thats what made me remember. i was so tired of fighting my hair. now, aint that somethin?! it all started and began with hair, human protein. hair is an accessory. so when i dreaded up and had a mighty flowing bad snake mane of hair, i REMEMBERED. i remembered more and more. things became clearer. it came from back in the ancient times, when i couldnt comb it, in ancient days. and didnt want to, still dont. u cant comb it. it came from memories of times in the orient, in the deserts of the mideast. in celtic europe and in ancient france and germany, in gaul, in rome. in egypt, on the plains of assyria, in macedonia, in GB, the far northern lands, in the basque country at the border of spain. i remember all this, and my goal is the same all thru it--TO BE FREE. to feel free and to free others. to do 'the work' on that and on/with the self. the whole thing has been about that. and thats how i see it all. the quest, the holy grail, the search for the self and the meaning of it all.
interestingly, even Mouravieff says the same thing synonymously--on roles, archetypes, the journey here. its the peeling of the onion, in layers, and equates to that of the staircase, the/a stairway, jacob's ladder, levels, realms, densities, states of consciousness. Mouravieff's description of what happens next, after the First Threshold is crossed:
"The four notes which form the Staircase are linked by a deep interdependence, since their resonance draws its strength from the initial impulse of Desire. This means that if this initial desire does not unite all man's existence in obedience [to the thing desired, i.e. to become free] if it does not dominate his whole being, it is better for him to stop in time and not cross the Threshold. We repeat: The Way is a path of no return. This is the real reason for this test of Desire. This Desire must have the strength of Thirst.
All of these steps happen more or less together in many combinations. They are distributed unequally according to different personalities, and driven by the force of our Desire to be free.
The first step leads to the test of Faith. To Believe is not enough; one must have faith. Here we note that we are not talking about faith or belief in some outside source, but in the self. Here the seeker must surmount his fear of abandonment. Many trials and troubles will face the seeker... all designed to destroy his faith in his own ability to BE and to succeed in finding the life that is not materially evident but is only a dream...
The second step is a test of Strength.
The third step is the test of Discernment and Skill. He who can see and understand the precept "you cannot serve God and Mammon" will be better prepared to withstand this test.
The fourth step is the test of Love, or true, life-giving love, a consuming fire quite different from what now smolders under the ashes. It is a blazing sword whose flames burn up all alloy mixtures; all that man takes for love - within him or towards him - when it is not that. If we keep these words before our minds, we will immediately be able to judge every movement of the heart, and will know whether or not it contains traces of true Love. To live in the True, with all lies excluded, is the prerogative of the Cycle of the Spirit: Light without shadow.
We speak here about certain human beings who have attained or who are about to attain the Second Birth. The text leaves no room for ambiguity: "Lie not to one another: seeing that you have put off the old man with his doings and have put on the new man, that is being renewed until the knowledge after the image of God: where there cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman; but Christ is all and in all." This is only addressed to those who are on the Way in their relations between themselves.
We have indicated the absolute necessity for anyone who aspires to esoteric development to cure himself as soon as possible of this deep-rooted habit of lying to himself. This work takes time, demands the courage to face disillusion, and needs self-confidence and faith in the self. As the seeker advances, he feels a new sentiment. He will sometimes feel bitter regret as his beautiful dreams vanish, but at the same time he will feel himself more and more liberated. His growing sincerity towards himself will establish an atmosphere of truth in his inner life. The law proclaimed "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free" will apply to him in its fullness. The word "free" was deliberately chosen to contrast a state of slavery. After each operation of inner purification, painful though it may be, the seeker will feel more and more fully a profound gratitude for being freed from this absurd slavery. Having reached a certain stage in internal liberation, the individual will understand the full value of the magical power expressed in the word Freedom.
The acquisition of Inner Freedom is the sine qua non condition of further success in esoteric work. This elimination of lying to the self enables one to observe the work of the lower centers in the self objectively. This observation is commenced from this "command post" of impartial observation and judgment of the individual who has overcome the lies to the self. If we remember that the kingdom of heaven is within, and NOT outside us, then we begin to understand that some force or even violence must be employed INTERNALLY to retake our own fortress. This is very often necessary to eliminate the roots of Illusion within us, the mother of lies to ourselves.
Thus we see that the test at the fourth step is decisive. Until lying stops, man drags along the defects of his past: lying, weakness, self-pity, and inner compromise. Generally, it takes time, the opportunity and the possibility to rid himself of his baggage before committing himself to the fourth step is met. Many individuals, because of the weight of their past, waste time and allow many opportunities which present themselves to go by. But, on the fourth step, the balance sheet must be drawn up and accounts settled. Man, poor and naked, is accepted at the second Threshold, but only on condition that he is consistent and pure. The essential is that he be consistent, meaning that he contains within himself true Love, which can only be revealed by the cessation of lying to the self."
im no indoctrinated student of "The Way" or anything, just like the language of that above there, how it resonates, how it feels. there can be no compromise of the self. there doesnt need to be. SCREW that in the mouth. Believe in YOU. BE WHO and WHAT U ARE unequivically. TAKE A STAND. LOVE the SELF. UR ALL you've got. sorry this became a rant. on that hero's journey.
GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"
But just because there's nothing exciting happening doesn't mean you're not affecting people and helping the planet maintain a higher FRV by holding your own. I think it's part of the spiritual path and not a sign of pacification or such.
If anyone can point me in the right direction with that, I’d appreciate it. 
