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#1 2006-11-17 09:30:00

Free_Your_Mind
Seeker of Truth
From: Present Day Earth
Registered: 2006-01-13

Tobacco

[moved from Archons]

Well, the cancerous part of most tobacco companies comes from the fertilizer's they have been using, over and over again in the same soil, fertilizer enriched with a type of uranium, which is obviously radioactive. And tobacco trichomes appearantly attract and mix with irradiated particles, and when burned and inhaled attract other radiation in the area towards you. Plus the chemicals to ward off the rats and rodents that eat their crops.

Homegrown tobacco is much different, my friend grew some a couple times, and would buy natural bags to smoke out of a pipe. The indians smoked a lot as well. Perhaps there is something to that, but if its still legal and cannabis isn't; I think I'll continue using the latter, more potent herb big_smile

*Edit* More info from http://www.ccnr.org/uranium_deadliest.html
Radioactive Smoke

Radon gas is also given off by phosphate fertilizers (since phosphate ores are rich in uranium). When tobacco crops are so fertilized, radon gas accumulates under the thick canopy of tobacco leaves, and tiny dust particles impregnated with radon daughters adhere to the sticky, resinous hairs on the underside of each leaf. When harvested, the tobacco contains high concentrations of radioactive lead-210 and polonium-210. Cigarette smokers breathe these radon daughters into their lungs with every inhalation.

Some of these radioactive particles lodge in the lungs of smokers, as confirmed by autopsies. Others enter the bloodstream along with oxygen and carbon monoxide. Radioactive deposits of this kind have been found in plaque removed from sclerotic arteries. Many researchers now believe these excessive concentrations of radon daughters are responsible for most of the 135,000 deaths each year in the U.S. from lung cancer, strokes and heart disease which the American Medical Association attributes to smoking.

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#2 2006-11-17 17:14:16

Barefoot Doc
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From: England
Registered: 2005-04-20

Re: Tobacco

SiriArc wrote:

Children of the Sun

YOU Entered

And Changed A Nightmare

Into OUR Dream




Brain Damage
(Waters)

The lunasite is on the grass.
The lunasite is on the grass.
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs.
Got to keep the loonies on the path.

The lunasite is in the hall.
The lunasite are in my hall.
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more.

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

The lunasite is in my head.
The lunasite is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane.
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me.


And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

_____     _____     _____     _____     _____

Now thats a coincidence, i was playing Pink Floyds dark side of the moon  and Animals CDs last night.

Free-Your-mind wrote:

Well, the cancerous part of most tobacco companies comes from the fertilizer's they have been using, over and over again in the same soil, fertilizer enriched with a type of uranium, which is obviously radioactive. And tobacco trichomes appearantly attract and mix with irradiated particles, and when burned and inhaled attract other radiation in the area towards you. Plus the chemicals to ward off the rats and rodents that eat their crops.

Homegrown tobacco is much different, my friend grew some a couple times, and would buy natural bags to smoke out of a pipe. The indians smoked a lot as well. Perhaps there is something to that, but if its still legal and cannabis isn't; I think I'll continue using the latter, more potent herb.

Yes lung cancer was almost unheard of before they started to use the radioactive phosphate ferts and the 200 plus chemicals added.
They use the same ferts on food crops  too though.

Stuie wild and a few others have some interesting things to say about tobacco. Research suggests tobacco may help protect the brain from pollutants and chemicals that cause senile demetia (chemtrails?)
Indians thought tobacco would ward of nasty entities.

It could be they have pumped tobacco full of crap to negate its more postive uses and poison the people into the bargain as i dont suppose anyone who smokes a few organic roll ups a day need worry too much about smoking related disease.

Last edited by Barefoot Doc (2006-11-17 17:46:53)


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#3 2006-11-17 18:13:30

Lono
Walker of worlds
From: Oklahoma, USA
Registered: 2006-05-03

Re: Tobacco

Barefoot Doc wrote:

Free-Your-mind wrote:

Well, the cancerous part of most tobacco companies comes from the fertilizer's they have been using, over and over again in the same soil, fertilizer enriched with a type of uranium, which is obviously radioactive. And tobacco trichomes appearantly attract and mix with irradiated particles, and when burned and inhaled attract other radiation in the area towards you. Plus the chemicals to ward off the rats and rodents that eat their crops.

Homegrown tobacco is much different, my friend grew some a couple times, and would buy natural bags to smoke out of a pipe. The indians smoked a lot as well. Perhaps there is something to that, but if its still legal and cannabis isn't; I think I'll continue using the latter, more potent herb.

Yes lung cancer was almost unheard of before they started to use the radioactive phosphate ferts and the 200 plus chemicals added.
They use the same ferts on food crops  too though.

Stuie wild and a few others have some interesting things to say about tobacco. Research suggests tobacco may help protect the brain from pollutants and chemicals that cause senile demetia (chemtrails?)
Indians thought tobacco would ward of nasty entities.

It could be they have pumped tobacco full of crap to negate its more postive uses and poison the people into the bargain as i dont suppose anyone who smokes a few organic roll ups a day need worry too much about smoking related disease.

Do you think that Natural American Spirit cigarettes are similar to home-made ones in this regard?  They're supposedly natural, with no additives.

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#4 2006-11-17 19:02:10

Barefoot Doc
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From: England
Registered: 2005-04-20

Re: Tobacco

Lono wrote:

Do you think that Natural American Spirit cigarettes are similar to home-made ones in this regard?  They're supposedly natural, with no additives.

You have to buy their "natural" range for it to be organic as well as additive free they seem honest and have to pay organic growers a lot more for the crop and i use them as i smoke 3 roll ups a day and it is the best tobacco i have smoked.
I guess home made would have to be properly dried and cured to get a quality product but very easy to grow they say.


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#5 2006-11-30 17:59:59

proto
NR has changed my life!
Registered: 2005-12-14

Re: Tobacco

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g91/helmut_lung/AmericanOrganic.jpg

I've been smoking American Spirits for the past 2-3 months and they're pretty tasty compare to the chemical laden camel lights and marlboro lights. I just wasn't digging the chemical taste of the two when I went out for a cigarette and like the tobacco taste instead of just wondering "hmm, does rat poison taste like that?" and the next drag, I'll say "hello Ammonia!". People think I'm weird smoking these but I shoot them down saying "ahh, you can't handle real cigarettes!big_smile"

Last night on my break from work, I went out to buy a pack of American Spirits Natural regulars (the blue box) and the guy behind the counter offered me organic American Spirits(the red box like the pic above) and I was like "wow, sure I'll try it out!" It's pretty good I must say and also good knowing that I'm smoking a real cigarette: real organic tobacco. I also saw a big can of tobacco for those who like to roll their own cigarettes, but I find the packs more convenient. smile Great stuff!

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#6 2006-11-30 18:26:04

lyra
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Registered: 2004-03-25
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Re: Tobacco

^^^^  That stuff is definitely tasty.  We have a pouch of this at home.  Nothing beats the way a brand new pouch of this stuff smells.  YUM!!  The tobacco is moist, and the smell is similar to raisins.   It smells so good you want to eat it!  big_smile  haha   But yeah, the mainstream cigs have something like 100 chemicals and industrial waste ingredients in them.  Completely unnecessary.  If you're going to smoke at least do it right and smoke pure, fresh, organic tobacco.


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#7 2006-11-30 19:32:45

LipstickMystic
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Re: Tobacco

Here's a quickie fix for ley lines or other electromagnetic disturbances (unwanted ghosts, ET's, etc) in or around a home -- take some Natural American Spirit loose tobacco (or better yet, their Pow Wow Blend which comes in a purple wrapper and is tobacco mixed with sacred herbs).....

Invoke or connect with whatever form of Higher Power you honor (Great Spirit, God, Goddess, the Big Cheese, or the Great Omnipotent Nothingness if you're an atheist smile...

Set the intention that you are energizing the tobacco with divine healing energy, ask the devas associated with the tobacco and herbs to help you if you want to.....

And go outside and walk around the perimeter of your home, dorm, apartment building scattering loose tobacco around the edges of the building, setting the intention that the tobacco provide grounding and balancing of the land, your living space, and the people and animals living inside.

You can also use corn meal to do this same thing.  And plain tobacco will work, even if it's the polluted kind, but American Spirit rocks the most.

Notice your dreamspace feel calmer, clearer. Notice that negative critters don't appear to be getting through as much.  Enjoy smile

Loose tobacco is also an instant cure that works even better than orgone devices for healing ley lines, if you use it (or corn meal) in a conscious, intentional way....invoking Spirit beforehand and laying the tobacco on the afflicted ley line with clear focus and an open heart sincerely focused on healing the land.

When smoked, pure tobacco opens the psychic pathways, making it easier for psychics to access the third eye and healers to access energy from the crown chakra. 

But most commercially made cigarettes now also give you a dash of poison, so smoking regularly isn't such a grand idea.

Because of the poisons in most cigarettes now, smokers end up with an accumulation of smoking elementals around their lungs, larynx, and mouth, and it's the accumulation of these energy parasites that cause cancers over time unless you know how to clear them out.

Smokers - you can clear these elementals out daily -- electric violet is the best purging color for this. Visualize it sweeping through your lungs, throat, and mouth, and lovingly ask a Higher Power to take all the debris off to the Light and remove it from both your physical body and energy bodies. You may yawn naturally as you feel the stuff expelling from your system. You may even burp. smile

At first, these parasitic elementals will gather in the egg or auric field, hovering over the outside of the lungs, throat, etc.  But with years of smoking (especially using the non-natural cigs) you'll gradually have these elementals gain entrance to the actual organs. And that's when illness sets in.

It's all about clearing the parasites out regularly - just like how doing a colon cleanse clears out intestinal parasites and restores the body's balance on a physical level, there are energy parasites that affect us, too. (I'm doing a Dr. Natura colon cleanse right now, very natural and not uncomfortable, I recommend their stuff!)

You can use a lot of different techniques to get rid of energy parasites.  Mentally zap them, imagine a yellow Pac-Man coming along eating them up, get inventive and use your Star Trek laser beam to eradicate them, or employ different colors or sound vibrations to break them up.

The important thing, though, to prevent illnesses from smoking is to eradicate the parasites as much as possible.  Using a zapper and focusing on bio-electrification of the blood from time to time, perhaps every three months if you're a chronic smoker, will also help you - that gets rid of the parasites on a physical level.

Okay, that's my two cents about tobacco!  Go out and get yerself some American Spirit loose tobacco in the Pow Wow Blend, it's good stuff.  They were selling it in a purple wrapper for a while but I think it has also been packaged in a blue wrapper. Make sure to ask for the Pow Wow Blend which has both tobacco and these herbs - sage, red willow, bearberry, and spearmint.  This is meant as a ceremonial blend - it can be smoked, but it tastes very different from plain tobacco.  Good to use if you want to pray and invoke at a high level, if you roll your own cigarettes or smoke a pipe.

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#8 2006-11-30 19:33:28

Pictus
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From: Brazil
Registered: 2006-02-11
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Re: Tobacco

Fresh tobacco smell good, but to kiss a smoke person is disgusting...


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#9 2006-11-30 23:13:31

Worldbridger
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Registered: 2006-09-28

Re: Tobacco

Does anyone know if they sell the American Spirit in Canada?  I used to see it in Vancouver from time to time, but haven't seen it anywhere in Alberta.  Oh well, probably for the better as I just stopped smoking when I couldn't find it...

I read some research in 'The Sugar Blues' that the cancer rates were also related to sugar they started using in the curing process.

I grew up in the tobacco belt in Ontario and it was crazy to see how much crap went into it even before the tobacco made it to the processing plant!
YUK!

Seeds anyone?  I'd like to grow a couple of tobacco plants in next year's garden though unsure of where to find seed.

thx

en

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#10 2006-12-01 01:58:41

Lono
Walker of worlds
From: Oklahoma, USA
Registered: 2006-05-03

Re: Tobacco

Worldbridger wrote:

Seeds anyone?  I'd like to grow a couple of tobacco plants in next year's garden though unsure of where to find seed.

thx

en

I found a couple of sites that sell them: 


http://www.seedman.com/Tobacco.htm

and here:

http://www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco/index.html

I'm sure there are more, but these were two that popped up.

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#11 2006-12-01 04:02:46

Magical_Mongoose
Dreaming Cyber-Hippy
From: A place forgotten
Registered: 2006-05-16
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Re: Tobacco

I've smoked the Native Spirit brand of organic cigarettes while at a New Years Eve party in California, and I liked them. Certainly had a more natural feeling to the nicotene, but it may have been just me. Anyways, so this evening in Toronto I go to see if I could find some. I travelled to two convenience stores and a gas station, and none of them sold it. The last store I went to, the owner was outside smoking a cigarette.
"Hey, do you work here?" I said as I approached him.
"Yup."
"Do you sell American Spirit cigarettes?"
"Nope. They're not allowed."
"What, organic cigarettes aren't allowed?"
"They're native, and they don't pay the taxes. We aren't allowed to sell them."
"Huh. Aren't they grown by a company in New Mexico?"
Blah blah blah. I said thanks and walked away. This guy I think was just bulshitting me, or sincerely didn't have his facts straight. Just because they have a guy wearing a headress on the label doesn't mean the tobacco is grown on a reservation! Obviously, the Matrix is trying to keep these sweet, smooth babies out of my grasp..but I will not give up. Let freedom reign!


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#12 2006-12-01 07:19:50

kinsei
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Registered: 2006-01-11

Re: Tobacco

I have a question, maybe one of you has some ideas (as it seems several of you are knowledgeable about certain meta-qualities of various kinds of tobacco and aren't bullshitted by the PTB trying to persuade everyone that all smoking is bad)...

For the past several years, I've been smoking a very specific type of clove cigarettes.  Now for years, I've had people telling me "don't smoke those, they're really bad for you and fill your lungs with fiberglass etc etc".  The thing is, most of the brands of cloves I've tried do feel really bad for me the instant I smoke them, like they're filled with horrible toxins... except this one specific variant from one specific company, which for some reason has always felt very natural and never given me those harsh side effects; infact my system agrees with them much better than normal cigarettes.

And now curiously, not long ago Phillip-Morris reportedly bought this company, and apparently is beginning to phase out this one variant.  Not the other ones this company makes (which are just like all the other cloves in that they feel bad to me), just this one.  That struck me as very odd, and sure enough it's slowly becoming more difficult to find these things (fortunately I guess there are plenty of distributors with a good amount of supply so I doubt they'll fully disappear anytime soon, but still...).

I'm normally very conscious of what I put into my body, I try to eat and drink healthily, and consider myself a pretty healthy person overall.  And yet I smoke something that many of my friends say is terrible for me, yet for me personally, they give me a much better feeling than any normal cigarette ever has (although I do like American Spirits too, that's probably the one exception).  And while my left-brain analytical mind takes in all these "those are bad" statements and plagues me with them, I ask my intuition and it's just the opposite, telling me it's fine for now (the "for now" is a very specific qualifier, implying that there will be a time when it's not necessary or relevant for me to smoke, but that time has not yet arrived).

So... yeah.  I'm a bit confused.  Any ideas?

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#13 2006-12-01 13:30:17

lyra
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From: my own private idaho
Registered: 2004-03-25
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Re: Tobacco

kinsei wrote:

So... yeah.  I'm a bit confused.  Any ideas?

Yeah....make your own.  Solves that problem.

wink

Buy:

- A pouch of Native Spirit organic tobacco;
- Some clove powder from the spice section at your store of choice;
- Some pure cotton - cotton balls work fine;
- Rolling papers - the sweet fruity flavored ones are good, as it duplicates the sweetness of the clove cigarette papers;
- A cigarette roller

Pack your cigarette roller with the tobacco, sprinkling the clove powder in there as well.

Take a cotton ball and tear off a piece.  Roll/fold/shape the piece into a small rounded square shaped filter.  Place at one end of the cigarette roller.

Insert rolling paper into roller contraption, lick the edge of the paper, and then roll your cigarette.

Ouila....instant homemade, all natural clove cigarette that should meet your clove cravings.  So go ahead and let Phillip Morris faze out your favorite brand....it doesn't matter, you can make one that's so much better.  Don't let them have that level of power over what our choices are.  wink  When TPTB purposely remove something because they know it's good quality, and they don't want us having something good quality, then say f*ck 'em and do it yourself.

As a ps sidenote - Clove powder may cause an allergic reaction on your skin - it does mine.   This is probably part of the basis of the warnings about clove cigarettes I think, because it can cause skin irritation and inflamation.  I played around with clove powder one night, putting the powder into empty capsules, and wound up with palms and fingers that had insane itching.   So something to be aware of.  You probably won't have anything to worry about though if you're only taking a pinch and sprinkling it into your tobacco.  I think you have to really be messing with it for awhile like I was.

Last edited by lyra (2006-12-01 13:36:32)


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#14 2006-12-01 19:23:05

proto
NR has changed my life!
Registered: 2005-12-14

Re: Tobacco

lyra wrote:

^^^^  That stuff is definitely tasty.  We have a pouch of this at home.  Nothing beats the way a brand new pouch of this stuff smells.  YUM!!  The tobacco is moist, and the smell is similar to raisins.   It smells so good you want to eat it!  big_smile  haha   But yeah, the mainstream cigs have something like 100 chemicals and industrial waste ingredients in them.  Completely unnecessary.  If you're going to smoke at least do it right and smoke pure, fresh, organic tobacco.

HAHA! Before I finished reading your thing, I instantly thought "I wonder if you can sprinkle that in ur cereal or yogurt...wait a minute, this is tobacco we're talking about!" Haha. Since I am a dork, I want to buy a pouch of that stuff and smell the "raisins". Yummy, indeed!



LipstickMystic wrote:

Smokers - you can clear these elementals out daily -- electric violet is the best purging color for this. Visualize it sweeping through your lungs, throat, and mouth, and lovingly ask a Higher Power to take all the debris off to the Light and remove it from both your physical body and energy bodies. You may yawn naturally as you feel the stuff expelling from your system. You may even burp. smile

That's such a great technique. I have a similar story that happened earlier this week. On Sunday, I had a major killer toothache and really, no dental insurance to top it all off. So while walking home, it just intensified to the point where I almost cried (I'm not a sissy, but it was that bad!) where I just said "this is retarded" and that's where I visualized electric white light, kind of like a Star Wars electric sword, piercing beneath the tooth and killing off the pain! I am not joking when I say the pain was going away, but within an hour, it completely left. It's friday and I haven't had pain since. So if that electric white light can cut off the pain from my tooth, I am definetely using your violet light suggestion! big_smile You rock,Lipstick!



Pictus wrote:

Fresh tobacco smell good, but to kiss a smoke person is disgusting...

I think it's fun, no? Just kidding.


"We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same."
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#15 2006-12-01 21:23:15

Mahatma
Always Outnumbered Never Outgunned.
Registered: 2006-04-19

Re: Tobacco

I did a search for some American Spirit tobacco and while trying to find some stumbled upon this story at the bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2535353.stm

Basically, blood nicotine levels are higher after smoking American Spirit compared to 'regular' cigarettes, which Amanda Stanfor uses to assert that:

'The study explodes the myth that additive-free or 'natural' tobacco is safer than that used in conventionally produced cigarettes. Whilst there are concerns that some additives may increase the addictiveness of nicotine or make it easier to smoke, this study underlines the fact that 'natural' tobacco is just as hazardous as that packed with additives."

What's up with this? Big tobacco stooge?


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