Thank you SiriArc for starting this thread
Here are the main links from which I will be quoting:
http://www.openseti.org/ForumFiles/Goss … ithQA.html
This is from Karmapolis's interview with Kyle Griffith, the author of War In Heaven:
(druid---you might find this on elementals quite interesting...!)
Questions and Answers
1. Can you explain more clearly the differences between Elementals, animalistic Elementals, “young” Gods, “mature” Gods and of course “free and autonomous minds” ?
The first four are what I call “collective astral entities” , made up of a group of astral souls linked together with strands of astral matter that conduct astral energy as a metal wire conducts electricity. Studied by itself, each of these astral souls is structure of living astral matter very similar to one of the independent astral entities your question calls “free and autonomous minds” and WiH calls “Free Spirits” . Any astral soul, whether independent or part of a collective entity, can also be called an “astral body” , and possess its own astral mind and personality structure.
In order to make a reasonably coherent comparison of the different types of collective astral entities, I have to begin by describing the simplest form that these entities take, which you didn’t include in your question: “Theocratic Bands” . These are groups of linked spirits that can range in size from two or three individuals up to hundreds.
In most cases, one of these spirits is Dominant Theocrat the spirit whose astral mind controls and dominates the astral minds of the other spirits in the Band by sending energy impulses along the strands that bind the members of the Band together. However, the degree of autonomy possessed by the minds of subordinate spirits in a Theocratic Band varies considerably.
Some have almost none, and are for all practical purposes “mindless slaves” . Others are “Subordinate Theocrats” with a degree of autonomy as long as they enjoy the Dominant Theocrat’s favor. In some large Theocratic Bands, the original Theocrat becomes insane or senile and is replaced by a “junta” of several Subordinate Theocrats. This is usually temporary, and one of the Subordinates usually takes power and either drives out the other Subordinates, or totally enslaves them.
The astral minds of all of the spirits in a Theocratic Band deteriorate at a slow but steady pace. Eventually, the Dominant Theocrat goes senile or insane and there is no Subordinate Theocrat in the Band who is still in a good enough mental condition to take over. At this point, the Band becomes an Elemental.
Large Elemental Bands usually hang around places where large religious rituals used to be held but are no longer used for this purpose. Small Elemental Bands are often found in “haunted houses” . However, Elementals are free to move around, and actually can turn up almost anywhere.
The difference between “ordinary” and “animalistic” Elementals is one of degree, not of kind. Ordinary Elementals often communicate with the living telepathically using recognizable verbal and visual images, though they still appear obviously delusional and irrational. Animalistic Elementals are less sane than this, and usually just project raw emotion with little content that stimulates a response from the intellect of the living recipient of their telepathic messages.
Gods are something entirely different. They are composed of what WiH calls “Elohim Spirits” , which have astral souls somewhat different from those of any of the spirits just described. The chief differences are: 1) They have astral minds which can link together into a group mind that is a “whole that is greater than the sum of its parts” . In other words a collective that is not just one mind dominating others, but autonomous individual minds working in concert voluntarily. 2) The astral minds of Elohim Spirits don’t deteriorate if they link their astral bodies to other astral souls; in fact, they deteriorate if such linkages don’t occur.
As far as I know, the only difference between “young” Gods and “mature” Gods is the number of Elohim spirits involved and the degree to which they have learned to function in unison as part of a group mind.
However, according to WiH, the Gods contain ordinary human spirits as well as Elohim spirits. Supposedly, the Elohim spirits take good care of them, and are able to prevent their astral minds from deteriorating. The Elohim say such ordinary human spirits have to be included if new Gods are to be created on a planet like Earth, because these are the kind of astral souls spontaneously generated by earthly physical bodies if an existing soul does not incarnate in an infant. In other words, the Elohim can incarnate on Earth and can live indefinitely on its astral plane in a disembodied state, but they can’t reproduce here.
Since a God has to contain millions of individual astral bodies, and there are not that many Elohim spirits on Earth, (I have no idea of the number), ordinary souls have to be included. I believe the Elohim when they explain why they include ordinary astral souls in the Gods, but I’ve always had serious doubt about how well these souls are treated over long periods of time.
Here is some new information that isn’t in WiH: My guess, and it’s only a guess, is that during the Last Days, the Elohim are going to round up all the astral souls trapped in Theocratic Bands and Elemental Bands, erase most of the contents of their astral minds, and use them as “building material” in the new Gods. They will then invite Free Spirits that they think are suitable for the job to volunteer as “colonists” astral souls whose memories and conscience will remain intact until they reincarnate on some distant world.
(I certainly won’t volunteer. If my soul can “slip through a wormhole” or something and reincarnate on some distant world with an advanced civilization right away, I’ll consider it. Otherwise, I’ll stay and accept my fate as an ordinary Earth Person. The idea of riding one of those Gods for millions of years makes my skin crawl.) .This answer is a guess, because I’ve never been able to get a straight answer on this from the Elohim spirits, and the “Space People” can’t tell me either, because of treaties.
And this on the pitfalls of religious beliefs:
9. What really and deeply happens to a mind immersed in a Theocratic Band after the so-called “death” ?
I seem to remember that there’s more material on this in the description of “Theocratic Bands” in the 1988 WiH than Gerry included in his summary for the Notes. It’s the kind of heart-wrenching emotionalism that I try to keep to a minimum, but there are areas where it is necessary to put it in. Most likely, a more detailed excerpt will be included when I create a Topic in the WiH Forum for discussing this subject.
Here are a few details that will give you a general idea. They are a rough paraphrase of some of the original material that I just channelled for the current WiH Project.
Many Christians eagerly join a Theocratic Band believing they are entering Heaven. And they can perceive what seem to be “golden streets” except that they all seem to lead back to the same room, where there’s a dull church service going on. It’s being conducted by a very authoritarian preacher who spouts a lot of apparent nonsense and the congregation is expected to greet every pause with enthusiastic “Amens” .
If someone asks, “When can I meet Jesus?” the answer is “You aren’t ready for that yet.” And a lot of the other worshippers seem to be babbling idiots or raving lunatics.
But the trapped soul can’t escape those streets always lead back to the same room. After a while, the person begins to realize, “This is really Hell” , but tries to fights those thoughts off, knowing that, “This way lies madness.” Slowly, he or she does become more and more despondent and delusional, and experiences an ever-increasing lethargy as well.
10. When you talk about low and high stages of development, what do you mean? When you say that a person is in a low stage of development, are you referring to someone who completely mind controlled and submits to a religion to the point of being essentially without free will? What are the criteria that determine whether we are low or high in maturity?
Well the reality sounds quite elitist to anyone with a “modern, progressive” viewpoint. It’s one of those aspects of the WiH information that “I wish wasn’t true, but have to admit that it is.”
The human astral soul evolves slowly over the course of many lives, if the person is able to evade Theocratic entrapment and keep reincarnating. People who make a deliberate effort to gain access to their subconscious mind and make use of the programs they find there such as the ones used in practicing telepathy make more progress along this line of evolution that people who don’t.
Having spontaneous flashes of past-life memory is a sign that someone is at a higher than average state of development. As Krishna tells Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita, “We have both lived many lives. The only difference is, I remember mine and you don’t remember yours.” This kind of elitist thinking was one of the factors that created the infamous Hindu Caste System, but there’s still a kernel of truth behind it.
And yes, what WiH calls a “New Soul” a person whose astral soul was created during the present lifetime because the soul of a deceased person didn’t incarnate in the body during infancy usually has less free will, creative intelligence, etc. than one of the “Twice Born” . Such people almost never learn enough psychic skills during earthly life to reincarnate without help from the IC after they pass over.
This is complicated by the fact that such people are also especially prone to give in to Theocratic mind control during physical life they have neither the will nor the skills to resist. This is a reason why Theocratic religions have always promoted population growth: it gives them a steady supply of New Souls to feed on.
This should be enough for anyone interested to chew on. When I first read
War In Heaven in 1988 it was a real shocker. Mainly because it blew away the
fuzzy gauze around a bunch of New Agey ("Flappy Dappy" to quote Lipstick Mystic)
ideas about entities in the astral.
Kyle Griffith is currently working on a second and third book with the help of his
guides and input from the forums he has created to gather practical ways of
defending against mind control and strengthening our psychic abilities to discern
the good guys from the bad.