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Re: STO and STS: Practical Dynamics of the Omniverse

Cassiopaea wrote:

08-28-99
Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to write this history of mankind. As I understand it, or as I am trying to figure it out from the literature, prior to the 'Fall in Eden,' mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that correct?
A: Semi/sort of.
Q: Please be more specific.
A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.
Q: Okay, so this realm changed, as a part of the cycle; various choices were made: the human race went through the door after the 'gold,' so to speak, and became aligned with the Lizzies after the 'female energy' consorted with the wrong side, so to speak. This is what you have said. This resulted in a number of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the brain...
A: Only reason for this: you play in the dirt, you're gonna get dirty.
Q: (T) What were we before the "Fall?"
A: 3rd density STO.

Q: (T) We are STS at this point because of what happened then?
A: Yes.

[...]

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm

http://montalk.net/notes/images/2.jpg
http://montalk.net/notes/atlantis-and-2012-frv-as-4d

As you can see, the Fall of Atlantis marks descent into a negative half of the cycle. No doubt, history since then has been quite dark. And half a precessional cycle afterwards, we now cross that zero line again, this time into a positive phase. In the terminology of Ra, I would say that the heights of corruption and darkness reached by Atlantis made for a social memory complex on the verge of graduating towards a 4D STS state of existence. Not everyone in Atlantis would have qualified due to lack of sufficient polarization, and they would have been recycled – allowed to continue in the next timeloop which is the one we currently find ourselves in. The negative ones who graduated gained abode in the quantum abyss from which they have for the past twelve thousand years manipulated their counterparts within the 3D timeloop, namely those negative secret societies who have run the show in all great civilizations of history (Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, Rome, etc…).

We are 3d STS, but soon that will change.

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And just HOW will it "change?" roll

Here is a statement Mykey made on the Desteni boards touching on our origins:

The beginning:

What is the beginning, where is the beginning, who is the beginning - who and what is responsible for the manifestation of Man - the manifestation of existence - the manifestation of the universe - the manifestation of earth , the animal kingdom, nature, the oceans, the human physical body - the manifestation of mind consciousness systems...?

We 'delve' into the histories - searching for answers - for the reason and purpose and how, what, when, where, and who of life and the beginning. Looking at the past of 'what has been done' - though not who those of the past were as beings.
This seems to be an important factor human beings of this world tend to miss: They look at the history at what has been done, the acts - and not at who the beings were and how they actually experienced themselves: I am an example of this.

Therefore - the answer to the question of the origin of life, the beginning, the starting point of existence of all 'living' things - won't be found, won't be discovered by or within anything that exist within this existence or of this world - because it is being attempted to be found/discovered with what exist of this world and according to acts/occurrences that have taken place in the past. Instead of looking at the past as who the beings were that participated.

Why has the search for the origin of life, the beginning, the starting point consumed so the minds of many of this world?

Will the 'ultimate answer' really change anything.

Here we've done an interview with the first molecule - does this change anything as who and what human beings have accepted and allowed themselves to become?

It's fascinating yes - though - why be obsessed and possessed with the of life, the beginning, the starting point if we clearly see that what we've done in the 'past' - was not life - here is manifested as the experience of man the 'outflow' of our 'beginning' or 'starting point'.

Thus - we have discovered a starting point, a beginning, the origin of life as who we are in every moment of self honesty within and as oneness and equality.

You will not find the beginning, the starting point, the origin of life in the past - the answers will not be there because it's the question that contains the 'problem' in the first place.

Life has not yet existed - a 'beginning' , a 'starting point' as not yet existed - such words were 'built' and 'designed' of a system - to understand and comprehend such terms as an experience. Much to Anu's example...

A system cannot know it's origin or it's starting point or it's own beginning - because the systems' beginning, starting point, and origin was not designed by itself - but by an outside separate source or creator.

Anu - as all that has been known in the past - all the knowledge and information you have of the past thus far - is all of this system - designed and created by a separate outside source.

You want to know the 'real' beginning, the 'real' starting point, the origin of existence of all expressions within existence - 'get to know yourself'.

Anu - but an example of all - that 'part' within us all - human beings - you want to live - you apply self honesty, self forgiveness and self application in every moment - here as you exist the answer to the origin, the beginning and the starting point.

You might be surprised at what you see, discover and realise as you.

MyKey

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: STO and STS: Practical Dynamics of the Omniverse

Here's another perspective from Veno on the subject of how we've got to this point in existence.

Hi Mex

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1. What about the other beings, Enki, Enli, Marduk, the syrians, serpents that were involved in the process. Where are they now?


They are currently within their own individual processes – realize that beings that were ‘races defined’ are no longer ‘defined as who they are according to the races they were’ – each being as a being within their own individual process. Here are links for further perspective:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … ht=removed

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1356

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … light=enki

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2. There were different beings that existed when those beings were running things, and since we are all equal in oneness and equality, what really made those guys gain so much power by taking over the whole of existence the way they did. What was highlighted
i. Desire for power existed (syrian and serpents)
ii. Envy (they envied the atlanteans)
iii.Fear of loosing an opportunity ( they wanted Anu to begin the process of taking over the atlantean planet and if he didn't they would)


Understand that THEN oneness and equality did not exist in any way whatsoever – Anu ‘desired to be ‘God’’ and so he ‘acted’ accordingly - I suggest you continue reading through Hitler’s experience, I suggest you also read Alice Bailey’s experience, two Parts have been added on the website so far – the rest still to follow, so keep an eye open, here are the links:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … ight=alice
(Alice Bailey Part One)

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … ight=alice
(Alice Bailey Part Two)

And here is also video interview on ‘The History of the Universe’ that’ll give perspective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I91JoD8CD-E
(History of the Universe 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT30YUYkQGA
(History of the Universe 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHTqTeCZ_wU
(History of the Universe 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_2SDIFtfsM
(History of the Universe 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzv_R0IVtFg
(History of the Universe 5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRUEoQVOqX8
(History of the Universe 6)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7hkh9ImfTI
(History of the Universe 7)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CwHkpgSETs
(History of the Universe 8 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4mUaijFvII
(History of the Universe 9)

So – i) would be ‘correct’ as the Desire for Power = the Desire of being ‘God’.

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3. Why were Anu's parents feared coz if i could remember, Jack said most of the beings then feared the Annunaki race, especially their parents who where the first to document stuff.


They were feared from the perspective of their ‘Power to Create’ as the Annunaki were viewed as the ‘Creators’ of existence, along with the Draconians – their ‘creative abilities’ were viewed as ‘having power’ – and so it was ‘generally accepted’ that the Annunaki was ‘more powerful’ – you will find perspective in the question in the video links above ‘History of the Universe’ and also I suggest you watch the Yankor video interviews (not yet completed):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpo0uQ8fsDk
(Yankor 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Si0jh5mKms
(Yankor 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dv5mLGQVPc
(Yankor 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoFQqpMJB4s
(Yankor 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgPEQkepmKg
(Yankor 5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPZ0uXBtOE
(Yankor 6)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MGIjgAtDBE
(Yankor 7)

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4. Before all this sytem and mind conciousness stuff, Anu was afraid of not existing which highlights
i. Fear existed then
ii. Depletion or death of a planet existed



Yes – indeed, ‘beings did cease to exist’ – they did ‘die’ – in the ‘History of the Universe’ interviews is perspective, also in Alice Bailey’s documents she mentions the process – yes, ‘fear’ existed – have a look: You ‘create that which you are’ – meaning that us as humanity as mind consciousness systems was designed in Anu’s image and likeness – so all that we are, represents all that he was. I suggest you read through these four threads for further perspective:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1935


http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1936


http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1937


http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1934


http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1938

No – planets didn’t ‘deplete’ – planets ‘ceased to exist’ when Anu destroyed the planets and enslaved the interdimensional beings to ‘establish his kingdom’ for him as earth and dimensions – where he will be ‘the one ‘God’’.

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5. Why did Anu change his form to something pleasant before he presented himself to the Atlanteans. What was highlighted

i. He was concerned about his looks
ii. Seperation by image existed

Yes to ii) but also it was a ‘method used’ to deceive and manipulate the Atlanteans – if he ‘presented’ himself differently – they might ‘react towards him differently’, which would ‘create an opening for him’ to accordingly ‘manipulate’ them.

Quote:
6. Why was the wisdom of the Atlanteans not really highlighted as to what exactly made them wise ( Coz they were really helpful but the story made them look weak like geeks all brains no muscle)


The Atlantean race was the ‘representation of wisdom’ – each ‘race’ within existence had a specific ‘representation’ of themselves – the ‘atlanteans representation was ‘wisdom’ and water. In the History of Mankind video interviews is perspective and here is another question and perspective that’ll assist:

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Question:

The way Jack presents the story of man, Anu needed "gold", but it's not presented clearly what this "gold" actually was or why it was needed to keep Anu alive?
Perspective:

See – each race within the interdimensional existence ‘believed’ they required the ‘source’ that represented their race within the interdimensional existence to have the ability to continue to exist – thus – the Annunaki’s source was ‘gold’ – ‘gold’ was a glistening essence within the interdimensional existence – this ‘gold’ only manifested within and as certain manifestations within the interdimensional existence – ‘gold’ representing their supremacy as ‘The Creators’ – the Annunaki were known as the Creators within the interdimensional existence.

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The Atlanteans were viewed as the ‘wise race’ because of their ‘presence and presentation’ of themselves – they were ‘graceful’ / ‘perfect’ within their expression of themselves – they ‘seemed’ ‘wise’. Satya was ‘in charge then’ of the ‘education of the young ones birthed into existence – ‘educating them’ of all the races that exist within existence and would take them ‘on trips’ throughout existence – the Atlanteans only occasionally when permitted. The Atlanteans had the ability to recognize a beings’ ‘creative essence’ and ‘unlock it’ as each being had a specific ‘creative essence’ within them according to their specific race. The Atlanteans could see right through into the ‘core’ of the being – and ‘confide’ in the being the ‘essence’ of themselves, what their capable of ‘creatively expressing’ – how to practice their specific ‘creative essence’ within them as them – also beings went to the Atlanteans for counseling before making a ‘great decision’ – as the Atlanteans had the ability to ‘limitly’ see into the future – not entirely. ‘Limitly’ from the perspective that they couldn’t even ‘predict’ / see what was to come from Anu – as they could only see into the future based on the words of a question asked - then they’d only see the future according to the words as question asked – nothing more – only that particular ‘line’ of future could they see based on the words of the question. And they could not see their own future – only other races who asked questions – it was their ‘placement’ within existence.

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7. Those who fled during the attack where no more mentioned.


Of those who ‘fled’ – you will hear ‘more about’ in Alice Bailey’s documents – some ‘fled’ though, over ‘time’ in the interdimensional existence became ‘crazy / insane’ – also those became some of the first ‘demon manifestations’ of the ‘demon dimensions’. Others were discovered, taken into the dimensional realm designed by Anu of the White Light – others designed their own ‘realm’ within which they became ‘lost’ over ‘time’ and was left there because they posed as no ‘threat’ to existence – they became completely oblivious to the ‘existence beyond the one they designed for themselves.

Quote:
8. Was procreation existing then knowing that female and male forms existed and how did they procreate if yes


This ‘varied’ depending on race – some races were through actual ‘penetration’, others were through ‘outside separate source birthing means’, others were through ‘points’ connecting to each other in the centre of their being where both male/female would ‘birth a new being’, others were through ‘centre point mind connections’, others were through their ‘essences connecting in similarity as one’ where they merge into one another as one and from here birth a ‘interdimensional being’. There is an example given in Alice Bailey’s story of how she was ‘birthed’ into the interdimensional existence and also within the History of the Universe video interviews.

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9. Honestly i feel there's something u guys know but u can't tell us probably so we can focus on the realization process but that's my mind wandering and being suspicious probably using 2 years to undo something that has been going on for billions of years is not that simple (but what was being used for measuring time, and does time exist in the dimensions knowing that only earthlings experienced day and night).

We can’t ‘tell you who you are as the manifested living experience in application of life as all as one as equal’ – otherwise it’ll just be knowledge and not the actual living expression of life as you.
So – this process is for each one individually – to stand up and see for yourself, stand up and live you – amalgamate you within life as life as all as one as equal – then you will also ‘discover’ that you will be able to direct, assist and support beings as you – but you cannot live their process for them – they have to do it for themselves as you must do it for yourself.

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10. There are no accounts stating if the beings that were used to power the physical form (us) returned after death 1 back to their full memory of being an Atlantean or whatever being even after this new age or world began 2 yrs ago.


After you died and crossed over – your ‘soul construct’ information of the mind consciousness system experience as you as what you were on earth, was ‘removed’ from within you and stored in the Akashic records – everything you have ever experienced in the past/past lives was not REAL – but all system programmed information from which you were separate in it’s most absolute manifestation.
All your ‘lives on earth’ as a mind system was recorded in the ‘soul construct’ within you – which is a separate manifestation connected to the mind consciousness system ‘saving all the information of your life as a mind system on earth’ to be taken after death and stored in the Akashic records – and you always were born into this world with a new mind consciousness system.

All of you as who you are is HERE as you – the mind system suppress you as who you really are – so, stop the mind and live you, because then you’ll realise and see and understand as you that past lives are irrelevant, though interesting if you’re ‘curious’ – because all it was, was programmed system information of a mind system and not real.

Here is a perspective within this document wherein Jack gives perspective of the soul construct and Akashic records:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … highlight=
(Read the tenth post from the top – the long one)

Quote:
11. Can there be more explanations to Anu coming here in 2006 which didn't happen again. Not from the perspective of the girl who changed everything, but from the reason of coming in 2006, and why people felt the world was going to end in 2012 (i just hope it's not about that big earth clock thingie that would later face aquarius stuff)


‘The world ending’ has been prophesized by many in the past, even now – but the most ‘hype’ was made through the ‘mayan calender’ where it is said that the calendar stop at 2012 – because of this, human beings believe/think the world will end – and because human beings fearing death – such great ‘hype’ is made out of the 2012 situation – but their actually manifesting it within an alternate reality of their mind through manifesting their fear of the end – the end – means death and people fear death.

Here’s a thread for perspective on 2012:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=2230

Here’s also another perspective:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=1935

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12. When the planets was manifesting into solid stuff based on the gravitational field caused by the sound crystals, doesn't it mean the earth was being abused and that's it's way of rebelling and the sound crystals in the core, have they been removed or it's still there?


The sound crystals infused together with the compression and thus within and as the manifestation of all the planets, in other words – the sound crystals compressed the planets – and through the ‘gravitational pull’ – manifested together within and as the entire essence of the planet – so it’s not there anymore – the essence of the sound crystals are within and as the entire manifested planets.
Realise that we’ve been abusing existence since the very beginning of our existence because of separation – where we are now within the experience of ourselves is but the manifestation of who we have accepted and allowed ourselves to be and become over eons of time – you ‘create’ / ‘manifest’ that which you are = which is exactly what we’ve done – so actually see ourselves as what we have accepted and allowed to be and become which is revealed in the current status/manifestation of this world as ourselves.

So – with regards to the manifestation of existence in this moment – is the manifestation of the ‘nature’ of ourselves we have accepted and allowed us to be and become.

If you have any further questions - let me know.

Veno

Here are some extra added threads I suggest you go through:

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … ight=meier

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … ight=cycle

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … =enki+hoth

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … ht=kingdom

http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … vuitiuukus

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Here's one... How will it change: A Time loop.

It is not 'manifested by the human mind' because simply it is a part of nature.

http://montalk.net/science/136/the-physics-of-2012

Ultimately this means that where (and when) we end up depends on where we need to end up, on the culmination of our spiritual choices in life, and on what resonates most with our soul natures, because it is these that determine what realities we access after entering hyperspace.

That’s why it’s incredibly unrealistic to say that come 2012 everyone on earth is guaranteed to ascend to a higher level. That scenario would violate the freewill of those not ready and encourage passivity since, with ascension being guaranteed, all one needs to do is sit around and wait until 2012 comes, which is no different from the Christian Rapture or other doomsday lifestyles that promote passively waiting for the end. As far as the common criticism goes that even the kind of Shift mentioned in this article is no different from Rapture theories since it deals with a “grand event” that leads to a “judging of people” — keep in mind that the criteria for the sorting process discussed here is based entirely on freewill and spiritual necessity rather than some backwards moralistic dogma, and that the only ones doing the judging are the individuals themselves (or rather their own higher selves).

Also, in the Wave book of the C's they said that since one of the world that is in another parallel universe that gets burned by their star, Earth would hosts for them by going into a time loop back to Ancient Earth. The STO candidates will live on the New Earth that has a merging of a dimension to physical making it a 4d world, the others would go back to Ancient Earth.

No, it's not punishment or suffering, that is nature. Lessons will be or not be learned.

Desteni said that in 2009-2012 we would be paying the price of Mother Earth getting her revenge on us. The times would seem to be rough, but I doubt we will all be slaughtered. roll

But, only time will tell.

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I don't understand. What " is not 'manifested by the human mind' because simply it is a part of nature?" hmm

I say that the idea of "free will" is as misleading as ideas of "ascensions" or "higher selves." The New Age Movement is just another religion that substitutes the "Rapture" with the "Great Awakinging" or the "Shift," and which replaces "angels" with "Higher Selves." Spi, do you know what you're "Higher Self" is up to? Or what properties such a "being" possesses? Are such beings in "control" in any meaningful way with our world? If these beings exist, what is the purpose of letting us exist in separation from nature and ourselves and the ABUSE we inflict on nature and ourselves?

What if there isn't "free will?" What if our actions are preprogrammed mind systems installed to control us by beings who wanted to be worshipped as Gods?

Cosmic Puppets. Yep. That's all we are. We carry the imprint and programs of the Sirians and the Anunnaki, and we reveal who we are thru our actions. The demolition of nature, the animals and Humanity should give you a clue on what the true nature of Humans, through the projections of the technological mind systems, is all about; death.

"Free Will." Please. Free Will exists as much as "Freedom" does. Or do you believe you're justified by 'Freedom?" LOL.

The mind locks us in PastPresentFuture where our responses and strivings are already predetermined by the programmed mmind system. The only hope is to stop using the mind so our real expressive self can be birthed into life.

The google clip of Earthlings is really instructive on how we as a species, abuse life. Needs to stop.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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I don't understand. What " is not 'manifested by the human mind' because simply it is a part of nature?"

Time loop. I'm saying it's not manifested, so you wouldn't say it is.

Are such beings in "control" in any meaningful way with our world? If these beings exist, what is the purpose of letting us exist in separation from nature and ourselves and the ABUSE we inflict on nature and ourselves?

So the beings can feed off of the suffering happening here. Earth is a cattle planet.

What if there isn't "free will?" What if our actions are preprogrammed mind systems installed to control us by beings who wanted to be worshipped as Gods?

I doubt that.

The mind locks us in PastPresentFuture where our responses and strivings are already predetermined by the programmed mmind system. The only hope is to stop using the mind so our real expressive self can be birthed into life.

In 4d, the meaning of time would lose its concept. We're in 3d, so we see time as linear.

The demolition of nature, the animals and Humanity should give you a clue on what the true nature of Humans, through the projections of the technological mind systems, is all about; death.

Humans eat fish, they harvest them.
Reptilians eat humans, they harvest us.
Service to Self likes meat. Service to Self harms other for their own good.




PS: I've been searching Desteni's video and.... Where's my Sterlob video!? I personally liked it because of the sunshine and glass.
Luckily, I saved a .wav for all of those to hear: http://www.willhostforfood.com/files/16 … obcase.wav

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According to Desteni, the reptilians are no longer with us.

Dunno about Storlob... I liked that one, actually.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.