• Registered: 2006-02-19

Topic: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

A while before i began getting "too" into researching my theories, i had one theory that related to a mobius strip.

We all know what a mobius strip is, i hope, for those who dont its a circular strip of paper with a twist in it. The mobius strip is an important shape because it has two sides which are completely invisibile from one another, but they are infact, both the same side.

So, basically what im saying is that, we are the center of space time, each one of us, and we each are present in multiple dimensions, Yet, we can only see our own dimension.

Could it be that our Chakras in some way are like the twists in the mobius strips?, That we embody all of spacetime and each "side", but there is in truth only one side.

Its kind of hard to explain, but hopefully you get me. Its just a long held theory ive had, which seems to make more and more sense the more i understand the universe. (perhaps the twist could be a singularity in a black hole, or who knows what, point being that a mobius strip is a rather simple 4d shape)

Anywho.

"Creation, Destruction, Absolution" - Brian Mountford
  • From: Atlanta
  • Registered: 2005-04-22

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

Well I wouldn't say that we only see this dimension. We only conciously without effort see this dimension, but we can project into our other simultaneous realities. I agree with what you say ... we are all things ... there is only 'one' reality but with infinite sub levels or realms but all ties together.

  • From: LA
  • Registered: 2005-09-18

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

Hi Spirit_Of_syth,

Check this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip

From the link (a similar idea to yours applied by Arthur C. Clark),

Art and technology

This Octopus card bears a stylized M ¶bius strip design. The M ¶bius strip has provided inspiration both for sculptures and for graphical art. M. C. Escher is one of the artists who was especially fond of it and based several of his lithographs on this mathematical object. One famous one, M ¶bius Strip II, features ants crawling around the surface of a M ¶bius strip.

It is also a recurrent feature in science fiction stories, such as Arthur C. Clarke's The Wall of Darkness. Science fiction stories sometimes suggest that our universe might be some kind of generalised M ¶bius strip.

It is a pretty interesting idea specifically equating the twist to a singularity.  In "The Sixth Sense" Stuart Wilde states that the worlds outside this 3D world are like mirrors to this one.  The right hand becomes the left; the north becomes the south and so on.  The twisting in the mobius strip flips the surface in the same manner the Klein bottle looks like it has turned inside out, but the surface is continuous and there is no transition per say.  If you take a CCW (Counter clockwise) spiral and join it to a CW spiral right at their tips a flipping occurs at the point where they meet.  This point where they meet is the singularity of the black hole.  Perhaps Stuie is right and everything is sort of reverse on the other side. 

I don't think that the chakras are the singularities between the different worlds.  I would think the chakras are riding one of the two spirals connected through the singularity.  The singularity is away from the body but connected to the chakras via the ether (the spiral).

Anyway, my two cents.

Regards,

Lee

  • Registered: 2006-01-13

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

I don't think that the mobius strip metaphor directly applies to chakras, but what about "consciousness/subconciousness"?

Say for example an entity exists as a strip of paper, consciousness on one side and subconciousness on the other. A superior being comes along and says, "Hey, how would you like to experience/become one with yourself? See what it's like to be a singularity?" The entity agrees, and the superior being (sorry, our language is lacking when it comes to this stuff) twists the "strip of paper" and connects the ends together, creating an infinite experience of consciousness/subconsciousness, at times the differentiation is not all that much.

The only way to get out of this loop is to exist outside the mobius strip, to increase consciousness/sentience/awareness, but it's a great learning/growing experience in the meantime.

Lemniscate

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)
  • From: LA
  • Registered: 2005-09-18

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

Lemniscate wrote:

I don't think that the mobius strip metaphor directly applies to chakras, but what about "consciousness/subconciousness"?

Say for example an entity exists as a strip of paper, consciousness on one side and subconciousness on the other. A superior being comes along and says, "Hey, how would you like to experience/become one with yourself? See what it's like to be a singularity?" The entity agrees, and the superior being (sorry, our language is lacking when it comes to this stuff) twists the "strip of paper" and connects the ends together, creating an infinite experience of consciousness/subconsciousness, at times the differentiation is not all that much.

The only way to get out of this loop is to exist outside the mobius strip, to increase consciousness/sentience/awareness, but it's a great learning/growing experience in the meantime.

Lemniscate

Hi lemniscate,

I really like your analogy. 

If you put ants in a mobius strip they will march along the surface, single file, over an over again not knowing it is the same surface.  To the ant it is a long arduous road with no end at all.  Now, when does the ant know it can leap out and leave the mobius surface?  It would take a real long time before it can figure out walking across, not along the surface is the key to sucess.  Or, perhaps the wind may provide the extra push to help it leave the strip surface.  How long do we stay in the strip of consciousness/subconsciousness before we can discover how to leap out and experience a much more vast universe?   Do we get a little help at all?  If so, who or what provides the push?

Regards,

Lee

  • Registered: 2006-01-13

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

whywhywhy wrote:

Now, when does the ant know it can leap out and leave the mobius surface?  It would take a real long time before it can figure out walking across, not along the surface is the key to sucess.  Or, perhaps the wind may provide the extra push to help it leave the strip surface.  How long do we stay in the strip of consciousness/subconsciousness before we can discover how to leap out and experience a much more vast universe?   Do we get a little help at all?  If so, who or what provides the push?

Regards,

Lee

I believe the help comes from people like you. You're a genius. Like you said: in order to get off the beaten path (the proverbial mobius strip), you just make a 90 degree turn. This is universally metaphorical. You don't continue going forward, you don't take a 180 degree turn (going backwards), you just turn to the side and start walking. Isn't that the way an electromagnetic field works? The magnetic field travels 90 degrees relative to the electrical field. (I'm not sure if that is relevant or not...)

Spiritually, you wouldn't throw out your entire paradigm, just adjust your path (your perception) about 90 degrees. This should get you where you want to go.

Obviously, this isn't going to mean much to a lot of people because this action is relative to their personal path, which means each person needs to figure out the specific action they need to take on their own. But, if we happen to pray for a little "wind" to assist us in our "escape", what's a little turmoil in retrospect?

Lemniscate

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)
  • Registered: 2006-02-19

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

Yes your absolutely right, if you bend space time 90 degrees you turn invisible, if you bend it 180 degrees, (i.e a 90 degree turn right, then another 90 degree turn into the other side), you dissapear into the hyperspace. Theoretically that is anyway. That was also something else i figured about the mobius strip, only i envisioned it more as the twist was the twist in space time

I.e instead of walking off the edge of the paper, you twist it 180 degrees, get me?. This is why i brought up my hypothesis because i think its relevant to the shape of space time. only, imagine a mobius strip which is like a ball, with twists in it. lots of twists.

Of course. i think the actual "shape" would be something far more beautiful and complex, infact, incomprehensible in our reality. But, its definitely a simple concept, which works.

"Creation, Destruction, Absolution" - Brian Mountford
  • From: LA
  • Registered: 2005-09-18

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

Lemniscate,

I appreciate your wonderful comments but I most say a genius I am not.

Regards,

Lee

P.S. I have enjoyed this discussion.

  • Registered: 2006-01-13

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

whywhywhy wrote:

Lemniscate,

I appreciate your wonderful comments but I most say a genius I am not.

Actually, Lee, I respectfully disagree with you. We are all geniuses. Some of us just haven't discovered our "genius" yet. I believe singing, dancing, art, communication, philosophizing and many more are considered "genius".

In the Bible it says "Every man has been given the measure of faith." I believe this refers to each of our talents, which relates to our own individual "genius". Too many people focus on intellect when this word is used. I think that that limits a human being from being the many faceted individual he/she is.

Many a forum member has iterated things that have obviated their genius. I am taken beyond gratitude for each and every one of you. I would not have grown so much, so fast if it weren't for your existence, your "genius". You each incite intellectual, emotional, and spiritual serendipity.

Thank you all for being alive and expressing yourselves.

Lemniscate

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)
  • From: LA
  • Registered: 2005-09-18

Re: Chakras And Mobius Strips.

Lemniscate wrote:
whywhywhy wrote:

Lemniscate,

I appreciate your wonderful comments but I most say a genius I am not.

Actually, Lee, I respectfully disagree with you. We are all geniuses. Some of us just haven't discovered our "genius" yet. I believe singing, dancing, art, communication, philosophizing and many more are considered "genius".

In the Bible it says "Every man has been given the measure of faith." I believe this refers to each of our talents, which relates to our own individual "genius". Too many people focus on intellect when this word is used. I think that that limits a human being from being the many faceted individual he/she is.

Many a forum member has iterated things that have obviated their genius. I am taken beyond gratitude for each and every one of you. I would not have grown so much, so fast if it weren't for your existence, your "genius". You each incite intellectual, emotional, and spiritual serendipity.

Thank you all for being alive and expressing yourselves.

Lemniscate

Touche!  I stand corrected.

Regards,

Lee