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#16 2006-01-18 20:55:31

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

tenetnosce wrote:

1.  We don't really need to seek to become aware of the current state of affairs in the world in order to offset negative developments, and that investigating and questioning what is really going on only contributes to the negativity.

[...] Promoting ignorance and lassitude with respect to the global state of affairs is the mechanism, par excellence, by which TPTBs, the global elite, and hyperdimensional negs, consolidate and manifest their intentions for control and world domination.

Ah, I see how "current state of affairs in the world" and "global state of affairs" may have unintentionally come off as "current affairs" which always refers to news, in this case meaning world news indicating further growth of control and corruption.

Well, there is definitely a disarming ploy being pumped through the fringe channels. One example is the Maitreya material by Benjamin Creme, whose site has this to say about the anti-christ, "With the defeat of the Axis powers during World War II, the work of the anti-christ energy was completed for this age and will not manifest again for over 3,000 years." Other sites detailing the ascension, like "What's Up on Planet Earth" may appear overly optimistic regarding our situation. Further examples are not as clear cut...for instance the Tobias channelings and Operation Terra material both say that things will get darker in the years ahead, but that it is necessary to disconnect from all of that, to "let go, let god" and so on which equates to paying attention to your own stuff and letting other people and nations deal with theirs, i.e what some would consider "ignorance and lassitude with respect to the global state of affairs."

Then there is a diametrically opposite disinformative ploy also being broadcast into receptive channels, one that encourages obsession or diversion rather than ignorance. Spectrum of examples that come to mind: Zetatalk - has lots of resources on survival, safe areas, and earth changes but is spiritual cyanide; Rense/Infowars/SoTT/etc... - always being the contrarian to mainstream news, usually a couple important items of information, but wholly obsessesed with jeering Zionists and NeoCons; Right Wing Literature - incredibly aware of the machinations of corruption, but advocates dropping everything and living in a hole until time for violent resistance; FourWinds - keeping you on the edge of your seat regarding NWO conspiracy drama and the imminent arrival of NESARA and the  Ascended Masters; Exopolitics/Serpo/Taken/Greer/Strieber - obsessed with the alien cover-up, yet advocating partnership with aliens.

Alright, so we have one pattern that encourages "ignorance and lassitude" and another that pushes "obsession and diversion." Two opposite ends of the spectrum, one to nab those who can't stand the horror of truth and prefer to bury their heads in the sand, another to nab those who become intoxicated by the horror and lose their heads. The first risks complacency against encroaching manipulation that takes compliance as consent, the second risks attacking windmills, bad timing, and emotional traumatization to the point of burnout.

The one thing I don't buy is the idea that "The battle between darkness and light is over! Rejoice! Spread the Good News! Celebrate!" ... man, it's only just begun. Tenetnosce, you mentioned the necessity of observing the subtle signs and trends around you. Well here is what I observe. I see people in the infant stages of their destinies. Some are a bit farther than others, but all seem to be converging upon some nexus point that marks the start of the Show. I believe that the world progresses in concert with our internal progress, therefore if we are internally still in our formative stages, then so is the end game.

What we must do is for us individually to determine. Procrastinate and things stall for a while until you catch up, but beyond a certain point you miss the window of opportunity and must face the consequences. Therefore I think we do get some slack, but not that much. Get too hasty and you will not receive the proper support because the timing isn't right. Therefore, what we must do, and when we must do it, depends on what comes most naturally to us through inspiration and enthusiasm coupled with discernment. What is 'natural' can be tainted by swallowing disinformation, and that's where discernment comes in. It is not enough to be roused out of complacency, but to also watch for swinging too much the other way and becoming hasty or obsessed. Just my opinion.

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#17 2006-01-20 16:08:47

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

montalk wrote:

One example is the Maitreya material by Benjamin Creme, whose site has this to say about the anti-christ, "With the defeat of the Axis powers during World War II, the work of the anti-christ energy was completed for this age and will not manifest again for over 3,000 years."

Ah yes, good ol' Benjamin Creme!  As I recall, the "Day of Declaration,"  where Maitreya was to reveal himself through a global television simulcast concurrent with a telepathic message to each and every human being, was to occur by late 1998.  Then of course it was by 2000. 

The predictions will always hold a special place for me, as it was my first real experience with Internet disinformation tactics.  It came at a time when I was profusely reading Alice Bailey, et al., and was flirting with a "Fourth Way School"  that turned out to be rather cultish.

The interesting thing is how all these avenues of disinformation converged upon me at the same time, in effect keeping me from blindly tossing myself headlong into any one particular stream, as they all conflicted with each other.

I was first exposed to Zetatalk in '03 (I think) amidst a whirlwind of predictions about the return of Planet X.  I've since used that site as sort of a gold-standard for disinformation techniques.  It is really quite educating when looked at from that perspective.

What has always striked me as odd is how these various sources of disinfo will make bold predictions, and when they don't come to pass, nobody will so much as simply acknowledge  that they were wrong.  It's just off to the next prediction!  Even more curious is how their followers will continue to allow themselves to be herded along into the next pasture without so much as a peep of dissent.

The whole Planet X, Nibiru, Wormwood thing is a topic that is also very close to me, and has served as a reminder that there is some type of higher force guiding my life.  I very clearly and distinctly remember when the newspapers  came out with the announcement that they had discovered the 10th planet, and then just as suddenly the reports disappeared.  Poof!  Not even a statement of retraction.  This was in 1983, and I was just six years old.  I didn't at the time have any clue that disinformation was even possible!

[BTW, I've just received a very interesting and highly referenced report on Planet X which included much of the government's 'plan' for dealing with this possibility.  If anybody is interested, email me and I will send it to you]

Another little disinfo site I like to keep tabs on is www.nibiruancouncil.com where proprietress Jelaila Starr periodically posts updates supposedly from the Nibiruans themselves.  I've written several emails to her in response to her articles, but have only received one reply where she got a little hot and bothered that I would have the audacity to question anything that the Nibiruans have to say.  Interestingly, some of the ideas that she claimed were incorrect found their way into one of her updates not too long ago.   

montalk wrote:

Alright, so we have one pattern that encourages "ignorance and lassitude" and another that pushes "obsession and diversion." Two opposite ends of the spectrum, one to nab those who can't stand the horror of truth and prefer to bury their heads in the sand, another to nab those who become intoxicated by the horror and lose their heads. The first risks complacency against encroaching manipulation that takes compliance as consent, the second risks attacking windmills, bad timing, and emotional traumatization to the point of burnout.

Exactly.  I suppose there is a higher purpose working itself out through those individuals holding each end of the spectrum in place so others can more clearly determine where they stand.

montalk wrote:

The one thing I don't buy is the idea that "The battle between darkness and light is over! Rejoice! Spread the Good News! Celebrate!" ... man, it's only just begun.

I don't buy it either.  However there also seems to be a dynamic involved where things shift on a more subtle level long before they manifest physically, sometimes by several years.  So perhaps people are sensing that at a core spiritual level the battle has already been won, and now it is just a matter of grounding and externalizing those changes.  On the one hand it can be beneficial to develop a strong sense of faith and trust, but on the other, it's so easy to slip into blindness.

montalk wrote:

Tenetnosce, you mentioned the necessity of observing the subtle signs and trends around you. Well here is what I observe. I see people in the infant stages of their destinies. Some are a bit farther than others, but all seem to be converging upon some nexus point that marks the start of the Show. I believe that the world progresses in concert with our internal progress, therefore if we are internally still in our formative stages, then so is the end game.

What I have also observed is that every time I choose to move forward with my own progress, others around me make similar choices, and to a large degree these people aren't even aware as to very much outside of their own personal dramas.  I've found that taking action in my own life does orders of magnitude more for others in terms of 'waking them up' than attempting to educate them through words alone.  I am seeing a lot of relationships splitting apart, people relocating, and lives being reevaluated and restructured accordingly.  I do have faith that, in some seemingly inexplicable way, everybody will be in their proper places when the curtain goes up for the last act.

montalk wrote:

What we must do is for us individually to determine. Procrastinate and things stall for a while until you catch up, but beyond a certain point you miss the window of opportunity and must face the consequences. Therefore I think we do get some slack, but not that much. Get too hasty and you will not receive the proper support because the timing isn't right. Therefore, what we must do, and when we must do it, depends on what comes most naturally to us through inspiration and enthusiasm coupled with discernment. What is 'natural' can be tainted by swallowing disinformation, and that's where discernment comes in. It is not enough to be roused out of complacency, but to also watch for swinging too much the other way and becoming hasty or obsessed. Just my opinion.

Which is exactly why when I observe a window opening, I do what I can to make others aware of the possibilities.  At least it can serve as some form of external verification for what people are sensing internally, and can provide some impetus for taking action.  But, as you said, it is critical for each of us to follow their own natural sense of timing.  At the same time, each window of opportunity missed will make the final transition more drastic and traumatic for those involved.

At some point a window will pass where it will no longer be possible for people to make the transition and remain incarnate, and according to some sources, making the transition requires having a body.  I suppose that is all part of the larger plan as well.  In eternity, these times in which we live are but a fleeting moment, but nevertheless a moment unparalleled for spiritual growth, and so I believe we would all do well to take advantage of it while it is here.

I, for one, would hate to look back upon it and know that I allowed complacency and indecision to get the better of me.  There is always the danger of being too hasty, as I have definitely found through experience, though I have also found that it is far easier to slow things down once begun, or to make adjustments in direction, than to speed things up that have gotten behind.  In the first case, the force of inertia works in your favor, while in the second, it works against you, and oh what a force it can be!

I'm reminded of the Ents hem-hawdling about taking action, meanwhile Saruman's forces are taking the axe to their forest. The dark side is mobilizing, there's no doubt about that.  Perhaps, as in LotR, hastiness will turn out to be the negs' own undoing in the end, but it won't be before those of the light get up off their bums, march right up to the gate, and take a stand.

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#18 2006-01-20 21:20:55

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

tenetnosce wrote:

Curious how it appears that in response to my comments about knowing what is really going on in the world, people assumed that I was referring to mainstream news.

Personally, I did not assume that you were referring to the mainstream news.  I now see that I could have written more clearly.  By referencing the inner worlds as well as the outer world I meant to refer to more subtle and often largely hidden influences.

I meant to point people away from the common perception that by reading, listening, and watching mainstream news, it is possible to find out what is really happening in the world, but now I see that what I wrote may have been interpreted as the exact opposite of that.

tenetnosce wrote:

Keeping a finger on the latest and greatest rides at the carnival is one aspect of knowing what is going on, but I was referring to larger social, economic, geological, spiritual, political, and cosmic influences / events that, for the most part, are NOT reported in the mainstream media, and to a large degree, are NOT reported (or misreported) even in the alternative news sources.

Yes, I did and do understand that you were referring to these larger events and influences.  And I agree that for the most part they are not reported in mainstream or alternative news sources.

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#19 2006-01-24 15:24:49

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

tenetnosce wrote:

Curious how it appears that in response to my comments about knowing what is really going on in the world, people assumed that I was referring to mainstream news.

Seeing how I referred to "whats going on in the world" as "mainstream news" I misinterpreted your meaning.

But with your post below I understand what you mean and I will answer these fun questions, as I have been thinking along these lines myself.

tenetnosce wrote:

I am also talking about having an awareness of what is going on in the immediate world around you.  How people in your everyday life are behaving.  What are they talking about?  What is on their minds?  Is there a pattern to it?  Is it cyclical?  Does it coincide with moon cycles or other cosmic influences?  How does it compare to your internal state?  How does it fit into the larger pattern of global events?

Well, in the summer of 2005 I moved into a off-campus housing, where I am currently renting a room.  Intrestingly enough the lady who owns the house has been "in the spiritual game" for over 20 years and has books upon books and a vast knowledge about the nature of reality, God, the Illuminati etc... basically everything we discuss here on NR.  So of course this is fasinating!  We are always discussing spirituality and we're both on the same wavelength also.  (eg. reading the same books without knowing it)

I am attending my first year university, and people are behaving and talking about everything mainstream really.  Constant chatter. Party this and party that.  Aside from my philosophy class, its seems (from my perception) that people are really energized but their focus isn't in the present moment.  So thats what I see with people my age and this particular university. 

tenetnosce wrote:

Do you ever take notice that something is on your mind, or you are considering making a change, and boom, suddenly there are people around you that are reflecting that back to you?  When you are participating in online forums such as NR, do you only consider each post individually, or do you consider all the posts of the day as an integrated whole?

As for the relationships I have with the others around me.  I have developped some new relationships as I change, and the old ones either fade because we no longer resonate together.  So yes, it seems as I change, my external relationships and physicality change.   

As for the NR question, sometimes Ill look at each post individuality, but actually in this thread, I have been looking at it as a whole.  It seems like the information just flows down the page.

Now, at this point in my life, I feel like I don't know anything, except the fact that I'm working on myself to feel this state of bliss and enlightenment.  I'm reading books, practicing disciplines, policing my thoughts, listening to audio files of people talking, reading some more, and I do hear/read opposing ideas, and do not know what to make of them.  I have amazing experiences here and there, and for some reason I feel like I want something big to happen already (should I feel this way?).  Sometimes I dont even know where I am as the world feels very odd and weird and doesn't make sense!  If someone has any insights on my particular world view and current 'situation', it would be very much apreciated.  And thank you for these excellent questions!

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#20 2006-04-26 10:48:00

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

Our focus needs to be on creating the reality we want rather than trying to fight and parry the shadow side. This does not mean turning a total blind eye to what might be going on, but it does mean not investing our imagination and our focused thought intent power on negative scenarios.
On some level we have to say no. One way the shadow agenda works is by getting people to run these programs mentally, any imagined bad idea that can be cooked up. Its a very dangerous thing to run negative ideas thru ones mind. When confronted with such things the best advice I have is to deprogram it by the most creative means you can think of within your mindspace. Create another outcome entirely. Alot of negative things cannot exist until they reach critical mass withint human minds. Constantly pouring thru pages of negative information is not a good idea and is actually part of the subterfuge to get people thinking along the wrong lines.
This means alot of people thinking about the wrong things. We have a right to change the negative core structures of our reality. It begins with the self and your immediate surroundings, and then carries over to those of like mind. What I am seeking to convey goes way beyond language.
Its actually more a feeling. There may be turbulence nearby but you'll always be in a safe space.
People that don't want to wake up are not going to. They may end up on a separate timeline.
There are many possibilities.


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#21 2007-10-13 16:32:50

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

There is a great discussion on this thread, worth checking out again.  I personally do not have the belief that all anger is the merely ego getting slighted; and therefore unbeneficial.

Doc Mercola just posted this video which has quite an inspiring moment as documented in the animal kingdom:

"You CAN Make a Difference!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaq7syc7ng

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#22 2007-10-15 01:51:23

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Re: Recent Outbreaks of Complacency

visavis wrote:

There is a great discussion on this thread, worth checking out again.  I personally do not have the belief that all anger is the merely ego getting slighted; and therefore unbeneficial.

Doc Mercola just posted this video which has quite an inspiring moment as documented in the animal kingdom:

"You CAN Make a Difference!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaq7syc7ng

cheers smile

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That was cool.  Those lions must have got a little confused at being attacked by their food source.  I have a problem with anger being glorified because it is something that I am personally trying to cope with.  I don't like it when people get angry with me in any form, whether it is direct, or some kind of pc garbage that I have to contemplate on later, in order to realize the person was expressing anger.  What I have been trying out for size, is when I feel anger, not to express it in the form of anger, but express it after I have transformed it into something that tastes more like justice.  I define justice as an equitable outcome for all parties involved.  I might even go as far as defining love as justice for all without anger, hatred, aggression, vengence being necessary to come about to anyone.  Oh! Only the first sentence was a responce to you visavis, the rest was to the thread topic and what was discussed.

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