Noble Realms

dThanks for the recommendation, ermolai.

Ahriman's incarnation, like that of Christ and Lucifer, may be on multiple levels. First level: semiconductor technology, the internet, wireless networks, and artificial intelligence yet to come. Second Level: assimilation of those who become spiritually atrophied and etherically enslaved by technology. Third Level: actual human incarnation(s).

AB, I think a human incarnation that fits Steiner's description is yet to rise to power. However, Steiner did carve a head of Ahriman that looks uncannily like Bush:



Bush expresses the Ahrimanic archetype: cold, programmed, mechanical, simulacral, hateful "intelligence". But he's simply not charming, intelligent, or slick enough to be the incarnation-in-the-flesh. I could be wrong, though. He certainly is worshipped by at least 30% of Americans.

Steiner did go on to warn that besides Lucifer and Ahriman, the third force of "evil" that would manifest tangibly would be that of the Asuras - the occultic / archonic / demonic forces. Think of the flying monkeys in Wizard of Oz. The closest thing to the Asuras today would be grays / reps and various negative astral powers. The human incarnation of the Asura archetype is surely still to come.

If I had to guess, I would say that in terms of technology, electricity/microwave/silicon/cyberspace captures the essence of Ahriman while the more exotic black projects technology - alien inspired - such as antigravity, teleportation, soul-frequency control, remote viewing, psychotronics, ray guns, etc... are expressions of the Asura archetype. 

Both are closely related, and the Ahrimanic incarnation on all levels would be a necessary prelude to that of the Asuras. For instance, softening up mankind through the 'convenience' of technology (blackberries, remote controls, cellphones, RFID, computers) pre-echoes alien saviors eventually offering us the 'convenience' of antigravity, free energy, psychic powers, etc... but all at the price of spiritual freedom.

Good resources (on the net, ironically):

The Advent of Ahriman (html)
Collection of Steiner lectures on Ahriman, Lucifer, Asuras (pdf)

feritciva wrote:

One of my friends, whose insights and knowledge are good according to me, once said that R.Steiner is darkside and one should be carefull with his books (still don't know why). I was interested in medicinal aspects of Anthrosophy - especially medicinal herbs- then, haven't read anything from him till now.

Steiner was once secretary of the german part of the theosophical society so this is why fingers are sometimes pointed at him. But he left this society when he saw it was working for the dark side, and denounced it, like he later denounced the jesuits. His anthroposophic movement has been diverted to something pretty much harmless for the NWO, but I believe the initial intention was good. Steiner was working at setting up an Order of initiates so that his movement could keep on working without his presence but he was poisoned before he could achieve this goal.

There are some files written by Steiner in NR files menu, also lots of books are available here in Turkish, what would be your recommendations to begin with?

"The Initiation" has been a good introductory book for me. Very sensible information on how to walk the spiritual path.

The central rite of "Satanism" or "black magic" -- sometimes crude, sometimes sophisticated -- is the deliberate, ritual torture and killing of animals and, at a more advanced level, of humans. When done in a precise way, this practice confers knowledge and power upon the practitioner; also, it affects the whole earth, hardening and rigidifying it, to the characteristic Ahrimanic purpose. Thus we can see the hordes of "researchers" and medical students -- who hurt, injure, and "sacrifice" animals -- as undergoing an unconscious, Ahrimanic black magic initiation, which hardens, brutalizes, and Ahrimanizes their souls, and through them also the culture, and even the earth itself. (Sacrifice is the actual word they commonly use, not thinking which "god" they sacrifice unto.) Vivisection is truly the archetypal act of modern science as it is generally understood and practiced.

From Montalks link above, this puts into words what i have always felt about  black magic  incorporated into Science and a fasinating insight into how people are trapped into becoming vehicles of manipulative  forces that they would defend as noble and right.

Well, I read through the entirety of that Ahriman page, as well as the PDF file on Lucifer, Ahriman, and the Asuras. The similarity between Steiner's thinking and my own is downright eerie. Here are a bunch of quotes which I found interesting, and which others may be able to benefit from without having to do all that reading:

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

If you go back to ancient times, even to those that I have characterized today as the Luciferic - who were the governing types then? Initiates. The Egyptian Pharaohs, the Babylonian rulers, the Asiatic rulers - they were initiates. Then the priest-type emerged as ruler and the priest-type was really the ruler right up to the Reformation and the Renaissance. Since that time the economist has been in command. Rulers are in fact merely the handymen, the understrappers of the economists.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

Now it is a fact that in real life, total errors are not so harmful as half- or quarter-truths. Total errors are soon seen through, whereas half- and quarter-truths mislead people. They live with them, these partial truths become a pan of life and cause the most horrible devastation.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

What the Gospel leads to is an hallucination of the Christ, a real inner picture or vision, yet only a picture.
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The real Christ must be sought today through all that can be gained from a spiritual knowledge of the world.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

Hence, when a person who for some time was leading an external existence is suddenly induced by something to turn to spiritual things, we are not interested in the fact that it happened. What does interest us is the inner force and power that can bring about such a conversion. We will want to look into the soul of such a person and ascertain what has caused such a reversal. The inner workings of the soul will interest us. How would the American proceed? He would do something quite peculiar. In America, conversions of this sort have been observed frequently. Well, the American would ask the people who have experienced conversions to write letters. He would then gather all these letters into a bundle and say, "I have received these letters from some two hundred people. Fourteen percent of all these souls experienced a conversion out of sudden fear of death or hell: five percent claimed altruistic motives; seventeen percent because they aspired to ethical ideals; fifteen percent had experienced pangs of consciece; ten percent acted in obedience to what they were taught; thirteen percent because they saw that others were converted and imitated them; nineteen percent because they were forced by a good whipping at the appropriate age, and so on." In this fashion the most extreme souls are isolated, sorted and tallied and the result is claimed to be founded on "scientific data." The findings are then compiled in books that are sent out and billed as "soul science." For these people all other evidence is unsound, or as they claim, rests on subjective notions. There you have an example of the externalization of the innermost phenomena, and so it goes with many, many things in America. At a time that cries out for special spiritual deepening, the mat external brand of spiritism is rampant in America! Everything there has to be tangible.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

The materialist studies what goes on in the body of the human being, finds there - or rather pre-supposes hypothetically - delicate nerve-processes, and says: The thinking, feeling and willing processes are in reality only accompanying phenomena of what is going on all the time as physical processes. This view is quite commonly held today and it will undoubtedly strike deeper and deeper root into the materialistic thinking of the near future. From the point of view of logic it is about as clever as the following would be. - Suppose someone walking along a road discovers tracks on it - here, parallel ruts, and here again, marks like the soles of human feet. He thinks this over and says to himself: "The material of which the road is made has undergone certain changes and influences, with the result that it has in some places become packed together so as to form ruts, whilst at other places it has been sucked downwards and we see on the surface what looks like the impress of a human foot." Such a conclusion is of course a crudely mistaken one, the truth being that a wagon has passed and made the two ruts with the wheels, and a man has also been walking on the road and made the other impressions with his feet. Not the nature of the soil, but the man and the wagon are responsible for the tracks.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

A person falls into the river and people hurry to the spot where it happened. When they find a rock, they conjecture that the victim had stumbled over it and this caused him to fall into the river and drown. Thus, they are sure that the man had died because he fell into the river. If one were to conduct an autopsy, however, it might turn out that he had suffered a heart attack and as a result, was already dead when he fell into the water, but he fell into the water because he had died. You will frequently encounter a similar confusion of cause and effect when life situations are assessed, and even more frequently in the general sciences.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

The greatest damage is done when what is poured into a child's soul induces the child to develop merely materialistically later in life.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

In a future time of peace, the unexpended ether bodies will be among people living on earth and will continually send the following sounds into the music of the spheres: there is more in the world than what mere physical eyes can perceive! This spiritual truth will ring forth as part of the music of the spheres through ether bodies that the dead have left behind. These are aside from what they are taking along as their individuality, which they retain during their lives between death and rebirth. We must listen to what lives and echoes from these ether bodies, because they were discarded by people who went through death and in so doing, affirmed the truth of the spiritual world. Mankind's greatest sin will be to ignore what the dead call out to us when their ether bodies speak.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

Our spiritual-scientific world view must be alive to such a degree that the gap between the so-called dead and the living can be overcome: we must feel the dead among us as if they were alive. We want not only theory, but life. Thus we wish to point out that when there is peace, there will be a living tie between those on earth and those who have gone through the gate of death. Man will be able to learn, and must learn, from the dead how they contribute to the great spiritual progress that must take hold on earth.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

Early in history Emperor Constantine had to accomplish his mission so that the Christ impulse could bear on the subconscious from the spiritual world. Later, the Christ impulse became active in the Maid of Orleans; what had to happen did indeed take place. Today, the Christ impulse must continue to bear on man, but more on his consciousness.

The one thing that bothers me about Rudolph Steiner (and Manly P. Hall, who I also really like) is this historical stuff. History is so easily manipulated. At the time of its recording it is subject to so many distortions. And when it is later interpretted it is subject to many more.

Movies like Dark City and Blade Runner are so compelling because they raise the question "Is there any way for me to prove that all my memories up to this moment are legitimate?" We are forced to admit that there is no proof to be found. Memory cannot be trusted. Confronting this thought is dizzying and revelatory. It causes us to seek out the uncorruptible core of human essence: that divine spark which stands apart from time in the eternal present. Does our collective history have such a core? Maybe so, but I can't see it.

To my way of thinking, the best one can do with known recorded history is use it for the generation of parables. It seems dangerous to think of history as an objective record of reality. It also seems dangerous to look for too much meaning in the collective's historical record.

In addition to falsified collective history, there's also the idea of repression of history. History can't be the answer, because it is possible to put a man in a position where he is kept ignorant of history, and so cannot benefit from a study of history. If knowledge of history is the key, then all evil needs to do to trap us forever is to keep us ignorant of history.

I tend to think the entirety of what is true must be observable in one lifetime. When you start trying to extend yourself accross multiple lifetimes, (ignoring or discounting the "deathtimes" in between) you begin to place too high a value on the living world. There is work to do in the afterlife, too. The good dead are those who tend to this work, (Service To Others, or Service To All) while the evil dead are those who spend the afterlife trying to reach back into the world of the living, to control it. They probably have other aims as well. Maybe they are afraid of "the death of the dead", namely bodily incarnation in the realm of mortals. Perhaps if they can siphon off the energy of the living they can avoid physical incarnation with all of its restrictions. It seems there is a connection between black magicians of modern times (the royal Satanic elite which runs the world, for whom guys like George H. W. Bush and sons are gophers) and the aformentioned "evil dead". Both seem to be obsessed with death, thinking they can overcome it by embracing evil. The Satanic elite uses inversion of morals--ritual torture, rape, and murder--to achieve its ends. Perhaps similar goings on are occurring even now in the world of the dead. It's as though there is an evil pact between some elements of the dead and the living to nullify the division between life and death by sacrificing others. Steiner says there is a good way to go about this, though, through peace.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

With such feelings in our hearts we forever want to imbue ourselves with the meaning of the rose cross so that we can perceive it in the proper way as the motto for our doing, weaving and feeling. Not the black cross alone. He who tears the roses from the black cross and has nothing left but the black cross, would fall into the clutches of Ahriman. The black cross in itself represents life when it strives to embrace inanimate matter. Also, if one were to separate the cross from the roses, keeping only the latter, one would nor find the proper thing. For the roses, separate from the cross, tend to elevate us to a life of selfish striving toward the spiritual, but not to a life in which we reveal the spirit in a material world. Not the cross alone, not the roses alone, but the roses on the cross, the cross carrying the roses: That is our proper symbol.

Is Steiner a Rosicrucian?

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

And so there is exactly as much suffering and pain in the world as there is interest only in the physical and the material.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

But in the spiritual world it is the case that what comes to pass reveals itself in its effect, beforehand; in its effect it is already there, in advance.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

For before the Event of Golgotha the souls in the spiritual world felt completely isolated, enveloped in darkness. The spiritual world in all its gleaming clarity was not transparent to those who entered it through the portal of death. Each one felt isolated, thrust back into himself as though a wall were between himself and every other soul.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

Man thinks to himself: Why need I trouble about what happens in the spiritual world? When I die I go into the spiritual world in any case and then I shall see and hear what goes on there! In endless variations one hears this easy-going way of talking: Why should I trouble about the spiritual before I die? When the time comes I shall see what there is to see. My relationship to the spiritual world will not be altered in the slightest, no matter whether I do or do not concern myself with it. - But indeed this is not so! A man who thinks in such a way will enter a world of darkness and gloom, unable to make very much of what is said in my book Theosophy about the spiritual worlds. For it is only by allying himself in spirit and soul with the spiritual world during life in the physical world that man can acquire the faculty of perception in the spiritual world; the preparation must be made in his life here on earth. The spiritual world is there in very truth - the faculty of being able to see in that world must be acquired on the earth; otherwise there is blindness in the spiritual world.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

The Asuras are retarded Beings of the Hierarchy of the Archai (Spirits of Personality). They are Beings who instead of furthering man's progress to independence, lure him into gross egoism.

The Asuras (plural) are sprits of personality, then. I wonder if they have to do with Gurdjieff's nine personality types? Persons of "type number x" might be observed to work together unconsciously towards goals befitting their type. Could the ultimate goal of each individual Asura be the physical incarnation into human form of its own personality type? I'm sure that propagandists and marketing researchers are well aware of different personality types and their susceptibilities to manipulation. It certainly would be more beneficial for such organizations to re-engineer the public to more clearly fall along these lines than to constantly chase at our tails in an attempt to suss out and respond to our natural motivations. Getting all humanity to conform to a limited number of personality types would make control of the public by the elite a much more manageble endeavor. It would allow the perpetuation of the illusion of human diversity and self-determination amongst the slave class, too. The work of marketing and propaganda seems to be the work of the Asuras.

Another wild thought: might "The Nine" channeled by Andrija Puharich have something to do with this? Kris Milligan in a response to a post at RI posted this: "There is another aspect to Synarchy. The concept of nine legendary leaders plays a large part in its philosophy. ... the Knights Templar, [were] founded by nine French knights shortly after the First Crusade." Could these alleged French knights be allusions to the spirit beings called the Asuras? I don't know much about the templars and their work, though.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

In the book entitled From the Akasha Chronicle you will have read that in Atlantean times the seminal forces in plant and animal were still at man's command and could be drawn forth just as the forces used in the form of steam for propelling machines can be extracted from mineral coal today. I have told you that when these forces are drawn forth they are connected in a mysterious way with the nature-forces in wind, weather and the like; and if applied by man for purposes running counter to the divine purposes, these nature-forces are called into action against him. Here lies the cause of the Atlantean flood and of the devastation wrought by the powers of nature which led to the disappearance of the whole continent of Atlantis. But even before that time, man had lost command over the forces of fire and the power to ally them with certain mysterious forces of the earth. Power over the forces of fire and earth in a certain combination had already been withdrawn from man. But now - through the influence of Ahriman and his accomplices - he again acquired a certain mastery over the forces of fire and earth, with dire consequences.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

When a man has a tendency to abnormal, somnambulistic states or through certain wrongful training awakens occult forces whereby egoism is intensified, then Ahriman or Mephistopheles has a ready influence precisely upon these occult forces, an influence that can soon become overwhelmingly powerful. It is far easier to know something about the astral world, the devachanic world, even about the farthest planets, than about the interior of the earth. Let the knowledge reach mankind through spiritual science that there is a connection between the deeds of men and happenings in nature and then the time will come when these things can be answered in the way the question demands.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

What is already within us can bring about the further development of intellectuality, but the Gods must come to our aid if we are to acquire greater moral strength. We go to sleep in order that we may plunge into the Divine Will where the intellect does not intervene and where Divine Forces transform into the power of will the moral principles we accept, where they instill into our will that which we could otherwise receive only into our thoughts.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

The coming changes will affect us, no matter whether we are still living in the physical body or whether it has been laid aside. Understanding of these events must however be acquired during life in the physical body if they are to take effect after death. To those who acquire some understanding of the Christ while they are still living in the physical body, it will make no difference, when the moment comes for vision of the Christ, whether or not they have already passed through the gate of death. But if those who now reject any understanding of the Christ have already passed through the gate of death when this moment arrives, they must wait until their next incarnation, for such understanding cannot be acquired between death and rebirth. Once the foundation has been acquired, however, it endures, and then Christ becomes visible also during the period between death and the new birth.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

Yes, the science of the spirit will impress upon us ever more deeply that this human ego, through the fourth Christ event, the Mystery of Golgotha, can come to true unselfishness. The senses have said, "Not I, but Christ in us." The vital organs have said, "Not I, but Christ in us." In his moral and intellectual life man must learn to say, "Not I, but Christ in me." Every step into the spiritual world shows us this.

It appears this natural evolution is what is being faked by the hive-mind technology which is on the horizon. Spiritual integration of the individual on a higher level according to the Christ impulse is being faked. New technologies aim to achieve a statistical integration of individuals as they are--with no distinction made between the wise and the foolish. The statistical mean personality is supposed to be the new Christ! Or rather, the anti-Christ.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

The idea that hunger creates the bread that satisfies it - believed only by a crazy man - is as false as that the power of our own soul can create the forces needed for our spiritual activities. These forces must flow into us. Just as we know clearly that our hunger is within us, and that bread comes from without, does one who lives in spiritual worlds know what is within himself and what comes to him from without.

Last edited by czyx (2005-12-13 19:01:51)

Thanks for the post czyx. I'm reading Steiner material right now and this summary is very good for me.

czyx wrote:

I'm sure that propagandists and marketing researchers are well aware of different personality types and their susceptibilities to manipulation.
Could the ultimate goal of each individual Asura be the physical incarnation into human form of its own personality type?

A very good thought! I always had problems with marketing and advertisement strategies. Asuras will for physical incarnation? Great insight.

Rudolph Steiner wrote:

The senses have said, "Not I, but Christ in us." The vital organs have said, "Not I, but Christ in us." In his moral and intellectual life man must learn to say, "Not I, but Christ in me." Every step into the spiritual world shows us this.

I have problems with this too. Probably because Steiner gives another meaning to "Christ" and I think it as something else. From my point of view, this is sheer disinformation.